YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW AT 18 WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR!



How can they NOT KNOW ? Only some one living under a rock .
History pretty much explains what it means to be in the military .
That is a pathetic and sad statement .Any one who is to much of a wuss to join and do the job the swore an oath to do should be shot .PERIOD
This country needs more real men
For all the misinformation out there MILITARY GETS PAID CRAP for the job they do ..of course there are some EASY military jobs ,but for the small group that risk their lives doing unreal task its bullcrap pay .


Is that to simple ? or will I lose points for that too


i can not spell for crap

[edit on 8-1-2009 by SFwife]

Originally posted by SFwife


YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW AT 18 WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR!



How can they NOT KNOW ? Only some one living under a rock .
History pretty much explains what it means to be in the military .
That is a pathetic and sad statement .Any one who is to much of a wuss to join and do the job the swore an oath to do should be shot .PERIOD
This country needs more real men
For all the misinformation out there MILITARY GETS PAID CRAP for the job they do ..of course there are some EASY military jobs ,but for the small group that risk their lives doing unreal task its bullcrap pay .


Is that to simple ? or will I loss points for that too

I just made the same point myself, the pay is crap. when I served my 4 years in the Army it was crap then too!

lol Really ? My husband is E7 I live in a small apt on the outside of Nashville with 2 kids .My rent is 1029 a month .Maybe you could help me learn to budget That would be lovely


ANYWAY ...I will have to double check but I believe a soldier makes less than 3 dollars a day when deployed .Mine is currently in Iraq I need to ask him and double check ...

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Well, I got out in 1990, so it has been a while for me. Nut I have lived both off post and on post in the barracks as well. Off post when I was married was not too bad, but on post when I was not married sucked.....I hated it. If I remember correctly, as an E-4 I was pulling down maybe $1,700 / Month back then....it was crap.

Originally posted by SFwife
lol Really ? My husband is E7 I live in a small apt on the outside of Nashville with 2 kids .My rent is 1029 a month .Maybe you could help me learn to budget That would be lovely


ANYWAY ...I will have to double check but I believe a soldier makes less than 3 dollars a day when deployed .Mine is currently in Iraq I need to ask him and double check ...

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Nice tattoo by the way SFwife

Originally posted by desertdreamer

Originally posted by SFwife
lol Really ? My husband is E7 I live in a small apt on the outside of Nashville with 2 kids .My rent is 1029 a month .Maybe you could help me learn to budget That would be lovely


ANYWAY ...I will have to double check but I believe a soldier makes less than 3 dollars a day when deployed .Mine is currently in Iraq I need to ask him and double check ...

[edit on 8-1-2009 by SFwife]

Nice tattoo by the way SFwife

Thank you

My whole point is that the pay is not as good as ppl think .At least you get what I am saying

I totally agree with you, it is terrible. Seems that alot of things in the military have not changed since I was in.

She signed the contract, she should uphold it. She doesn't want to go to a warzone, cool, she can find some way to work things out with her command-because I'm sure they don't want her there if she's this determined not to go. May have to spend the rest of her enlistment in a brig, but she should be able to avoid combat service. And, it's possible that all they'd have done is give her a DD-I know people who went AWOL prior to wartime got those in absentia, and they weren't even prosecuted.

Previous question was about college money going to family if the soldier was killed: the VA website states that surviving family members can get up to 45 months of [educational] benefits. In most cases with current tuitions, that's more then the GI bill. It also states that any payments into the GI Bill fund not actually used as benefits will be refunded to the survivor. Can't get fairer than that.

I know one of my daughters is getting 45 months of tuition, fees, books, supplies, and $800/month allowance paid, starting Sep 08, after my service-and that 's after using my own educational benefit after a medical discharge.

Finally, to the 'recruiter will say anything to get you in, and there's nothing you can do' argument, let me provide an alternative example: I went into the Army in 1986, and after 3 weeks of Basic, I was called into my commander's office for a discussion. Turns out that they wanted me to call my recruiter while they were listening, and confirm what he'd written into my contract. Once he had done so, they sent me out of the office to wait, and I heard some.....heated....discussion. I was brought back in, and informed that my contract wasn't legal, so I was given the option at that time to leave the military without obligations, or to sign a new, revised contract. I signed the new one after some thought and discussion, and went on with my service.

The ones defending her sit here and shout how we don’t know what it’s like in the military so cant comment etc etc.

I think that is what kind of proves our point, the fact that we are not in the military and the fact that we didn’t join the military is because we know what is in store for us. The same as this woman, she knew joining the Military what would possibly happen.

Maybe someone should have given her a dictionary before she was enlisted, but here are a few definitions she could of looked up:

Military:
• of or relating to the study of the principles of warfare; "military law"
• characteristic of or associated with soldiers or the military; "military uniforms"
• the military forces of a nation; "their military is the largest in the region"; "the military machine is the same one we faced in 1991 but now it is weaker"
• associated with or performed by members of the armed services as contrasted with civilians; "military police"

Army:
• a permanent organization of the military land forces of a nation or state
• a large number of people united for some specific purpose
• United States Army: the army of the United States of America; the agency that organizes and trains soldiers for land warfare

Soldier:
• an enlisted man or woman who serves in an army; "the soldiers stood at attention"
• serve as a soldier in the military
• a wingless sterile ant or termite having a large head and powerful jaws adapted for defending the colony

Contract:
• enter into a contractual arrangement
• sign: engage by written agreement; "They signed two new pitchers for the next season"
• condense: compress or concentrate; "Congress condensed the three-year plan into a six-month plan"
• a binding agreement between two or more persons that is enforceable by law



It would be bad to send her to Iraq now as she would not be a good soldier, so she should face the consequences of desertion – even if that means 5 years in military prison and a bad employement record, I mean if you default on your credit card contracts you get a bad credit record, so why should it be different on your employment?

Why should she be treated different because she is a woman and a mother, didn’t people complain for years that everyone should be treaty equally in the military, and now you are complaining because she is being treated equally?

Mikey


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Maybe I over looked it but what was this womans MOS ?
Mostly likely she would never have to leave the FOB

at 17 you have to have your parents sign you in ... that is for a reason. i do my job every day. i complain about it just like everyone i work with. i am not saying i am gonna go out there and run away, i have been put to my own personal tests with situations i wish i never had to deal with, and i continue on.

the age limit for joining the military is 35. how many people do you know that joined the military at age 25-35? very very few, because they have an understanding that 18-25 year olds dont.

to sfwife:
i am sorry that youlose points for being married to special forces... i think that it takes a stronger person to stand by your husband through all that he has undoubtably been through. kudos to you.

i challenge every one of you people who haev made statements judging this woman for what she has done to go down to the local recruitment and sign up. go do 4 years (although the minimum enlistment is 8... most people dont realize that. when you sign for 4 you gotta do an additional 4 in teh IAR). and see just how you feel about putting yourself in that situation.

Originally posted by wx4caster
at 17 you have to have your parents sign you in ... that is for a reason. i do my job every day. i complain about it just like everyone i work with. i am not saying i am gonna go out there and run away, i have been put to my own personal tests with situations i wish i never had to deal with, and i continue on.

the age limit for joining the military is 35. how many people do you know that joined the military at age 25-35? very very few, because they have an understanding that 18-25 year olds dont.

to sfwife:
i am sorry that youlose points for being married to special forces... i think that it takes a stronger person to stand by your husband through all that he has undoubtably been through. kudos to you.

i challenge every one of you people who haev made statements judging this woman for what she has done to go down to the local recruitment and sign up. go do 4 years (although the minimum enlistment is 8... most people dont realize that. when you sign for 4 you gotta do an additional 4 in teh IAR). and see just how you feel about putting yourself in that situation.

I loss points b.c I have been offensive in some comments and one was to simple Nothing to do with SF
My husband has been in since he was 17/18 and he has 10 more yrs to go
The military isn't for everyone and that is a good thing

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