Originally posted by dawa
All I can say on this is:

Imagine the uproar if they decided that you can no longer quit your job

" Sorry, you signed a contract with us here at McDonalds - so you'll be staying until you die! "

I can't imagine that going down well..

You haven’t worked high position job before have you?

A lot of high paying and high position jobs require you to sign a contract and you can’t just get up and quit whenever you feel like it without consequences.

McDonalds is usualy a job for 14 year olds after school - very different from the real world.

Mikey


[edit on 8/1/2009 by Mikey84]

Originally posted by jd140


How is that slavery?


Nobody threatens us to stay in. You are given the option to extend your contract. Most stay because of the free things that I mentioned. They don't take into the fact that we are at war.

That is a fact.

Its slavery becuase shes being thrown in the brig for 3-5 years over saying "no".

And those things ARE NOT FREE!

We the AMERICAN taxpayer PAYED for them!

So go ahead and keep thinking its free, and taking it all for granted.

But it was payed for with the sweat and blood of hardworking americans and for you to act like it was free, is a huge disgrace to the truth.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Its slavery becuase shes being thrown in the brig for 3-5 years over saying "no".

And those things ARE NOT FREE!

We the AMERICAN taxpayer PAYED for them!

So go ahead and keep thinking its free, and taking it all for granted.

But it was payed for with the sweat and blood of hardworking americans and for you to act like it was free, is a huge disgrace to the truth.

Thing is, she signed a legally binding, enforceable damn contract. So, it's pretty much tough # if she says "no" now. Should have thought about that before she enlisted in the first place. And yes that probably sounds harsh, but it's true all the same. She signed up of her own free will, and now she's just got to deal with the consequences, whatever they are.

As one poster said, there's no way people can defend her from a legal standpoint. A compassionate one yes, but, at the end of the day that doesn't really matter when you sign yourself over to the military.

A lot of people signed up for this war thinking it was a just battle. Only after spending time there, like this woman did, do they then realize just what a farce it has been. I cannot blame anyone for changing their mind about this war, contract or no contract; a contract that was based on falsehoods to start with. In fact it is a good sign that so many have been willing to stand up to the usual military propaganda and think for themselves.
Once again, Canada should be welcoming these people with open arms until the U.S. government comes to its senses.

Originally posted by mystiq
I don't. I fully support her right to not participate further in the war machine for the cabal, not bring home DU contamination if she survives and raise her family.
People are free and sovereign, not slaves.

I would love to agree with you here. But you see, we are not free, and we are all slaves! Those who make deals with the devil had best understand this.. When you sign your name on the dotted line, Your soul is theirs to do as they please!
Its a contract. Might aswell be written in blood! As when you deal with the devil, what do you expect?
Go over there and throw flowers, and candy at people??

Theres nothing anyone can do for her or her family. She is the one who made the deal. And when you deal with evil powers, you had better expect to be treated as such.

My old man did me a favor, and asked me not to join the military when I was young.. My grandfather also told me NOT to join!!
Im thankfully for their advice.. And Im not bound by any deals with the devil.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jd140


How is that slavery?


Nobody threatens us to stay in. You are given the option to extend your contract. Most stay because of the free things that I mentioned. They don't take into the fact that we are at war.

That is a fact.

Its slavery becuase shes being thrown in the brig for 3-5 years over saying "no".

And those things ARE NOT FREE!

We the AMERICAN taxpayer PAYED for them!

So go ahead and keep thinking its free, and taking it all for granted.

But it was payed for with the sweat and blood of hardworking americans and for you to act like it was free, is a huge disgrace to the truth.

Good job posting a small portion of my post. You completely ignored everything I had posted and chose a small portion that MIGHT support your opinion of it being slavery. In that regard you have FAILED.

Oxygen thief she should be shot

Originally posted by wayno
A lot of people signed up for this war thinking it was a just battle. Only after spending time there, like this woman did, do they then realize just what a farce it has been. I cannot blame anyone for changing their mind about this war, contract or no contract; a contract that was based on falsehoods to start with. In fact it is a good sign that so many have been willing to stand up to the usual military propaganda and think for themselves.
Once again, Canada should be welcoming these people with open arms until the U.S. government comes to its senses.

Originally posted by wayno
A lot of people signed up for this war thinking it was a just battle. Only after spending time there, like this woman did, do they then realize just what a farce it has been. I cannot blame anyone for changing their mind about this war, contract or no contract; a contract that was based on falsehoods to start with.

Really? I've been in the AOR many times and I don't think it's a farce. I sure don't think we took as many casualities as we did for a "farce".

Originally posted by wayno
In fact it is a good sign that so many have been willing to stand up to the usual military propaganda and think for themselves.

So many? How many troops from all branches of the US military have been in Iraq, and how many have run to Canada? I think it's a very, very small number.

Originally posted by saint4God
Isn't prison much safer than a warzone?

[edit on 8-1-2009 by saint4God]

No

In a warzone you can defend yourself with force.

In prison you get 100% "pwnt"

Originally posted by jd140

Good job posting a small portion of my post. You completely ignored everything I had posted and chose a small portion that MIGHT support your opinion of it being slavery. In that regard you have FAILED.

good job attempting to deflect the main arguement (slavery)

and good job not addressing the secondary arguement (that military stuff isnt free)

you are aware that its also agianst the rules of the forum to make "Excessive quoting"?

serioulsy im questioning your motives now (deflection?)

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by wayno
A lot of people signed up for this war thinking it was a just battle. Only after spending time there, like this woman did, do they then realize just what a farce it has been. I cannot blame anyone for changing their mind about this war, contract or no contract; a contract that was based on falsehoods to start with.

Really? I've been in the AOR many times and I don't think it's a farce. I sure don't think we took as many casualities as we did for a "farce".

Originally posted by wayno
In fact it is a good sign that so many have been willing to stand up to the usual military propaganda and think for themselves.

So many? How many troops from all branches of the US military have been in Iraq, and how many have run to Canada? I think it's a very, very small number.

Very small indeed. Usually its the ones looking for all the great free stuff offered to us military folk who do not want to own up to their end of the bargain.

They take the free education, the pay check and all the other goodies. Ask them to do a 12 mile forced road march in 3 hours at 0300 and they whine and make up some sob story. Just like this "soldier" is doing.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jd140

Good job posting a small portion of my post. You completely ignored everything I had posted and chose a small portion that MIGHT support your opinion of it being slavery. In that regard you have FAILED.

good job attempting to deflect the main arguement (slavery)

and good job not addressing the secondary arguement (that military stuff isnt free)

you are aware that its also agianst the rules of the forum to make "Excessive quoting"?

serioulsy im questioning your motives now (deflection?)

Free education, free work uniforms, free food, free housing and free training.

So what isn't free here?

You are given these things for free. Yes you might be called to perform your job in a combat situation. That is part of the risk one assumes when they join the military.

Read my first post and add it on to this one if you need more of an arguement.

You sir have failed once again.

Oh, and if I feel the need to quote you then I will. If the moderators feel that I am in violation then they can deal with it.

I just checked........you are not a moderator.

Originally posted by jd140


They take the free education, the pay check and all the other goodies. Ask them to do a 12 mile forced road march in 3 hours at 0300 and they whine and make up some sob story. Just like this "soldier" is doing.

like i said, its not free

the american citizens busted their arses to pay for it

government workers acting like it costs nothing, is exactly the reason we are going bankrupt as a nation

[edit on 8-1-2009 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jd140


They take the free education, the pay check and all the other goodies. Ask them to do a 12 mile forced road march in 3 hours at 0300 and they whine and make up some sob story. Just like this "soldier" is doing.

like i said, its not free

the american citizens busted their arses to pay for it

government workers acting like it costs nothing, is exactly the reason we are going bankrupt as a nation

[edit on 8-1-2009 by muzzleflash]

I give up.

The military is a modern day slavery buisness.

I'm glad you think that as soldiers we deserve everything without giving back........................wait thats welfare. Oh well, we should get all of these things and choose when we should serve and when we want to quit.

I have been in the military for 8 years as of 15jan09. i was deployed from aug-nov of 01, mar-dec 03, jun-sep 04, sep07-sep08.... i joined the military with the promise that i would be allowed to get school, be advanced, learn a trade, yadda yadda. bottom line is this. all you people out there who are so quick to rain down thier judgement on this woman with no experience of being shot at or feeling the heat of a VBIED need to grow up.

YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW AT 18 WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR!

i personnaly think that military service should be mandatory for every american citizen so that all these people out here hiding behind my service would have to stand up and earn what they have here in america. no person who has seen the horrors of war could ever condemn any person to the same fate.

i have until sep2011 when my contract is up. i am on the chopping block for yet another deployment. this time i am looking at an 18mo IA to iraq, afgan, or MUGM... i will get about 2 weeks notice, another round of 3 weeks basic CQCT and 18 months boots in sand.

there are wonem that can perform well under combat stress and some who cant. there are men who cant as well... each person reacts differently in that situation, and through repeated encounters a person either brows accustomed or completely loses it.

personally, if this woman is running to canada now, i would not want her beside me in a combat zone. i understand that she simply cannot handle it and if she is willing to take the risk to go to canada then let her go. she could face not only 5 years in prison but probably a BCD as well and and RE code on her DD214 that would pretty much destroy her chances of working a job other than mickey d's.

i would say that w should give all personnel the option to get out right now benifit free but i am pretty sure the military force would be cut by more than half as a result.

lol just think what would happen then...

Well, it looks as if this post has taken on a life of it's own with some good old home grown opinions about the war in Iraq, and moral beliefs. I am glad to see some stimulating conversation going on about this.

It is true, the ones that have not been in the military will always have a different view that those of us that were in the military. I am kind of on the fence on this one myself, but if I had to lean towards making an actual decision about it, I would have to go with her owning up to her duties....no matter how bad it sucks. I agree with the last poster, people react differently in stressful situations.

Yes, she has a mind of her own, and no she is not a slave. The hard facts of this one are that she signed up, and may have to serve multiple tours. even though I can understand her not wanting to go back, and can understand her argument, the government will not side with her.

Excellent debate people, there are some good points made here.

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Shaker


The way I see it, the contract is just a legal agreement between the individual and the military... you agree to follow lawful orders of those above you in rank in return for certain benefits.

Its an ILLEGAL contract and someone ordering you to be a slave is a UNLAWFUL order.

Think about human rights for a second.

And if the US Govt was worth fighting for, they wouldnt need to make anyone sign anything and then threaten them to scare them into staying.

If they were worth dying for, men would go without signing anything and fight to the bitter end.

This is a fact.

It isn't an illegal contract and it isn't slavery. We sign a contract to provide a service for a certain period of time. In that time we are being paid well, given a nice place to live for free, extra money for food, extra money for clothing, a free education and once during your time in service you are given a choice to where you want to be stationed.

How is that slavery?

She was getting all of that and when the time came for her to do her duty she decided that she wanted to break her contract and not serve anymore. It does suck to be away from your family and I understand her not wanting to be away from them, but she owes a service she promised to provide.

Nobody threatens us to stay in. You are given the option to extend your contract. Most stay because of the free things that I mentioned. They don't take into the fact that we are at war.

That is a fact.

I just found one of these comments comical.....paid well???? The people that are defending this country get paid very poorly, and IMHO should get paid a heck of alot more for what they do. All those extras that you are talking about all come at a price.