US soldier avoiding Iraq ordered to leave Canada

reply to post by Double Eights

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Yeah, but the military does not see it that way. She did not want to risk going to jail possibly, and not being able to be with her children. i do understand what you are saying though. Thanks for the comment.

Oh, I definitely understand her worry about jail. I don't blame her for running, but our soldiers need to understand they need not be afraid.

Those who refuse the order to go to Iraq have standing in court. They have the legal documents needed to prove their case, those being the Constitution, their contract with the Army, and the Iraq War resolution.

reply to post by Double Eights

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I wish it was that easy for them. I guess when you are dealing with the government, it is like Forrest Gump said..."You never know what you are gonna get"

Yeah, right. Don't follow orders to deploy, you'll get busted for "missed movement" and do time in a military prison.

I love how the anti-war protesters scream, "Don't go!!", yet they are not the ones that will have to suffer the consequences for their actions.

How do you figure?

If our soldiers don't want to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution, don't take the oath; don't join the Military. You cannot make the soldiers the victims in this, when they themselves made the oath to defend the Constitution. It is their DUTY to protest this war, it is their DUTY to defend and uphold the Constitution.

Edit: Also, there's this thing called "blowback." So, yes, the actions of our soldiers do directly effect you and I.

[edit on 22-8-2009 by Double Eights]

reply to post by Double Eights

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How do I figure? Easy, when some troop decides to take the advice of some anti-war protester and deserts, when he gets caught, what happens? He goes to prison; the protester doesn't.

So it's easy to scream and yell that the troops should just tell their officers they aren't going, but they aren't going to do the time for the crime.

Like I said, the soldiers have a DUTY to uphold the Constitution. If you don't want to do such, DO NOT ENLIST. Once you sign that line, confirming your oath to defend and uphold the Constitution, you are required to do such. NOT following said oath is a breach of contract, which is A CRIME.

So, which is it? Follow the unlawful orders and break your oath, or refuse to go and prove that the order is unlawful?

The soldiers also have the tools needed to defend their position that the war is unconstitutional, and thus following the orders to deploy to Iraq would be unlawful.

You are making the soldiers out to be the victims, when in reality, they are committing a crime in the first place if they go to Iraq.

reply to post by Mikey84

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You just confirmed that slavery still exists, the master tells you to do what ever and if you don't do it you will be punished. This is what happens when people join the army for money while the fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for a cause Americans are still obsessed with money.

Well, I don't know about you, but I've followed that oath for 27 years.



Unlawful, huh? That's unique. And committing a crime by going to Iraq? Well, I guess I'm a criminal several times over.

I've always liked being an outlaw.

reply to post by oozyism

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Sadly, I cannot argue with that point. When I joined (of course I was 19 years old), I did it for the bonus money more than anything. Not real proud of that. But once i got in, and became part of the team, things changed and I was there for different reasons....but that does not happen for everyone. Thanks for posting!

Like you don't have a boss that you're working for.

Joined the military for money? Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm in the military for all the mad duckets I'm being paid. You join the service to be rich, you made the wrong move.

You don't have a clue why a lot of guys join the military. It's more than money, a steady job, or college.

If you fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom, then yes, you violated your oath to defend and uphold the Constitution.

If that is something that makes you proud, then so be it. Just don't go around parading yourself as some kind of "hero" or "Patriot."

reply to post by desertdreamer

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I will probably join the army also for money, after I get my degree. The recession is in effect even as far as New Zealand. Maybe it is the banking system or maybe something else, at times like these you make retarded decisions.

How is that funny, Islamic slavery was very similar to having a boss, why are we claiming that we abolished slavery?

Yes most join the military for money, and some because they are brainwashed by the mainstream media. If people know the truth about both wars being fought right now, 99% would be fighting for money, not for 9/11

You bet I'm proud of that. I'm proud of what I did, and I sleep like a baby every night, too.

And what did you do during the war?

So, it's money and brainwashing. Thanks, you've proven to everyone beyond the shadow of a doubt you don't have Clue One about what's it's like to join or serve in the military.

Thanks for playing, tho.

So be it, that is your prerogative. I can't tell you what to and what not to believe, but I can tell you that you are most definitely an ignorant soldier...nothing surprising.

Your forefathers would be ashamed, but I get the feeling that's not really of importance to you.

Why canot people like me who want to join, and have been denied because of past Juvenile mistakes, just take the place of those who are trying to runaway?

I'll fill the void, go straight to Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia whatever.

B ut because I have too many juvenile felonies, and not evenn an adult incidence for the past seven years they still dont let me in. My scorse blew the charts, I had the option for almost anny job I wanted, but there were too many Felonies to waive according to them. They are JUVENILE felonies, llet me take her place.

OK don't be like that, tell us what is in your mind. Why did you join the army don't tell me because you like killing people, those are the minority psychos and some become psychos after they are left in a life and death situations.

Shucks, you called me "ignorant". And why's that? Not that it hurts my feelings or anything. I've been called worse by better people.

And the word you're looking for is "arrogant". Yes, I am, and you would be, too, if you were me.



Actually, I think they'd be quite proud.