US soldier avoiding Iraq ordered to leave Canada, page 14
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reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 08:58 PM by desertdreamer
reply to post by Double Eights


Yeah, but the military does not see it that way. She did not want to risk going to jail possibly, and not being able to be with her children. i do understand what you are saying though. Thanks for the comment.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:01 PM by Double Eights
Originally posted by desertdreamer
reply to post by Double Eights


Yeah, but the military does not see it that way. She did not want to risk going to jail possibly, and not being able to be with her children. i do understand what you are saying though. Thanks for the comment.



Oh, I definitely understand her worry about jail. I don't blame her for running, but our soldiers need to understand they need not be afraid.

Those who refuse the order to go to Iraq have standing in court. They have the legal documents needed to prove their case, those being the Constitution, their contract with the Army, and the Iraq War resolution.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:05 PM by desertdreamer
reply to post by Double Eights


I wish it was that easy for them. I guess when you are dealing with the government, it is like Forrest Gump said..."You never know what you are gonna get"



reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:25 PM by jerico65
reply to post by Double Eights



How do I figure? Easy, when some troop decides to take the advice of some anti-war protester and deserts, when he gets caught, what happens? He goes to prison; the protester doesn't.

So it's easy to scream and yell that the troops should just tell their officers they aren't going, but they aren't going to do the time for the crime.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:29 PM by Double Eights
Originally posted by jerico65
reply to post by Double Eights



How do I figure? Easy, when some troop decides to take the advice of some anti-war protester and deserts, when he gets caught, what happens? He goes to prison; the protester doesn't.

So it's easy to scream and yell that the troops should just tell their officers they aren't going, but they aren't going to do the time for the crime.




Like I said, the soldiers have a DUTY to uphold the Constitution. If you don't want to do such, DO NOT ENLIST. Once you sign that line, confirming your oath to defend and uphold the Constitution, you are required to do such. NOT following said oath is a breach of contract, which is A CRIME.

So, which is it? Follow the unlawful orders and break your oath, or refuse to go and prove that the order is unlawful?

The soldiers also have the tools needed to defend their position that the war is unconstitutional, and thus following the orders to deploy to Iraq would be unlawful.

You are making the soldiers out to be the victims, when in reality, they are committing a crime in the first place if they go to Iraq.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:38 PM by oozyism
reply to post by Mikey84


You just confirmed that slavery still exists, the master tells you to do what ever and if you don't do it you will be punished. This is what happens when people join the army for money while the fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for a cause Americans are still obsessed with money.



reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:44 PM by desertdreamer
reply to post by oozyism


Sadly, I cannot argue with that point. When I joined (of course I was 19 years old), I did it for the bonus money more than anything. Not real proud of that. But once i got in, and became part of the team, things changed and I was there for different reasons....but that does not happen for everyone. Thanks for posting!


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 09:49 PM by oozyism
reply to post by desertdreamer


I will probably join the army also for money, after I get my degree. The recession is in effect even as far as New Zealand. Maybe it is the banking system or maybe something else, at times like these you make retarded decisions.
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