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reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 12:43 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by Styki
reply to post by SFwife


Yeah

I just think that you can join the army and you don't know completely what kind of sacrifices your going to have to make. Then she served, and knowing that I couldn't blame her for putting her family first.



When you join the military, there's no clause in your contract that releases you from your obligation if things are different than what you expected. If you don't like the military life, then don't reenlist.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 12:48 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by desertdreamer
So I found this as well, and I am curious as to what you guys think of this type of recruiting tactic, please check it out.

Questionable Recruiting Practices?

I believe that it is this type of recruiting that attracts the younger crowds (cbviously that is what they want), but also the ones that don't have any clue as to what they are getting into.


If you're just now discovering that recruiters don't always portray an entirely realistic set of expectations, you're several decades behind the power curve. What recruiter in any field is going to tell you all of the things that you might dislike, and then expect you to still be interested.
That's why I wouldn't be interested in being a recruiter with the high stress of enlistment quotas that they're expected to meet. That still doesn't mean that the enlistee is excused from their obligations.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:00 PM by wayno
reply to post by desertdreamer


I believe that it is this type of recruiting that attracts the younger crowds (cbviously that is what they want), but also the ones that don't have any clue as to what they are getting into.

I was extremely bored the other day and found myself watching a dance show on a local station geared to a black audience. I was taken aback when a flashy add came on for the local air force reserve making it look like the greatest thing since apple pie. I had never seen that add before on the MSM and was sure it was targeted at the young black people who would be watching that show. Disgusting and devious exploitation of an undervalued part of society.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:16 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by desertdreamer


I believe that it is this type of recruiting that attracts the younger crowds (cbviously that is what they want), but also the ones that don't have any clue as to what they are getting into.

I was extremely bored the other day and found myself watching a dance show on a local station geared to a black audience. I was taken aback when a flashy add came on for the local air force reserve making it look like the greatest thing since apple pie. I had never seen that add before on the MSM and was sure it was targeted at the young black people who would be watching that show. Disgusting and devious exploitation of an undervalued part of society.



There's nothing disgusting or devious about being in the military, so why would that be the case to advertise? It's a very honorable profession, and offers more opportunities for a career, to the audience you're referring to than they might otherwise enjoy. What I find somewhat condescending is that you think they need people like you to protect them, because they're not smart enough to make their own decisions.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:33 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by BlueRaja
Unless you've been living under a rock, or have a greatly reduced IQ,


How 'worldly' do you expect a 17 year old to be? How many contracts do 17 year olds sign? Would you say someone who is in highschool has as much legal knowledge as someone leaving college?

Originally posted by BlueRaja
you know that when you volunteer from YYMMDD to YYMMDD, you have obligations that you must fulfill.


Volunteering means you can leave. This isn't volunteer work, it's a contractual obligation. Again, misrepresentation in what in the world volunteering means:

"b (1): one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest" - www.merriam-webster.com...

Guess what, she HAS a legal concern now. The CONTRACT she signed when she enlisted is BOUNDING her to serve. Right or wrong, that's the truth.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by saint4God]


You're volunteering to enter into a binding contract. Big difference. Enlistees are under no illusion that they can leave whenever they want. That part is explained. Where they might not get the whole story is what they can expect once they're in. Additionally, what may be true in certain fields in the military isn't necessarily true in others(i.e. there are some jobs where you have time to go to college, and others where you're in the field a lot. Another example might be OCS- a recruiter may tell an enlistee that they can go to Officer Candidate School. What they don't necessarily tell them is that whatever unit they go to has to approve that, etc....)


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:41 PM by wayno
reply to post by BlueRaja


What I find somewhat condescending is that you think they need people like you to protect them, because they're not smart enough to make their own decisions.

I never said anything about anyone's intelligence. It's their situation, of being with little alternative opportunity for employment that is being exploited. That is what is reprehensible.
As to whether being in the military is honourable, I would suggest that that depends on the circumstances. There is no more honourable thing than to fight a legitimate fight for freedoms.
What honor is there in Iraq? Take the blinders off my friend. Step back from the trees and try and see the forest for what it is. A great big sham! A total fraud. Is it honor or shame to kill people, without just cause?


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 01:48 PM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by BlueRaja


What I find somewhat condescending is that you think they need people like you to protect them, because they're not smart enough to make their own decisions.

I never said anything about anyone's intelligence. It's their situation, of being with little alternative opportunity for employment that is being exploited. That is what is reprehensible.
As to whether being in the military is honourable, I would suggest that that depends on the circumstances. There is no more honourable thing than to fight a legitimate fight for freedoms.
What honor is there in Iraq? Take the blinders off my friend. Step back from the trees and try and see the forest for what it is. A great big sham! A total fraud. Is it honor or shame to kill people, without just cause?


Unless you're a pilot, or in Air Force Special Operations, you're not going to be killing anybody. In fact even in the Army and USMC, unless you're in a combat arms unit, there's an extremely low likelihood that you'll be killing anybody.
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