Colorado Lottery Investigates 21-Time Jackpot Winner, page 3
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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 04:47 AM by verylowfrequency
Remember that the jackpots this guy was winning were not that big. The problem with his system as others have pointed out he probably spends most of his money trying to win them. If he picks 10% of the possibilities - he has a 10% chance of winning every time. That cost allot of money to play, but like playing Blackjack - if you hit a lucky steak you make money before you lose.

Now - I do know people who have cheated on the tickets that you buy in the bars - they call them pull-tabs here in Washington. The thing about pull tabs is they have so many thousand tickets in a bin or machine - with a dozen or so big winners depending on the game. Not real big usually 100-1000 or so. I got lucky once and hit $750 with a $20 dollar purchase - that's 20 tickets at one dollar each. It was just dumb luck as I was waiting for take out food and I don't hang out in bars. I've probably played less than $100 in my life - cause I know there's more losers.

Anyway, the trick to cheating is the bar keep would keep track of how many tickets were sold - at some point if the the ratio of big winners left against losing tickets sold would increase - sometimes. Thus the odds of winning would increase to the point that there was at least enough winners to come out even or better. When that majic ratio would occur the bar keeper would put a temporary hold on that game and call a friend to come in and play that game. If they got lucky the friend would pick the winners before spending too much money and they would split the proceeds. Of course it's illegal - but I'm sure there's lots of em that do it.

I'm thinking someday lottery's will be illegal, because people will figure out a way to see ahead in time. I'm thinking all one would have to do is look at a location where the numbers are published every drawing - then you just need some kind a particle accelerator (or remote viewer) targeted at that data location to push an image of the data from the future to the present. Maybe one could even publish the numbers himself and push them back in time with enough energy or illumination across time. Sort of dilating the data to make it easier to read.

I wonder how many lotto workers are involved in cheating - all they'd have to do is either switch the balls or project false holographic images over the real numbers long enough to get a result.

I'm gong to win Mega Millions someday soon and I'll come back here and say austa la vista baby - when I do.

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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 04:51 AM by googolplex
reply to post by shortywarn

Even though the numbers could come 1,2,3,4,5, the odds are still againts such a probability. There is laws of probability, if some thing occurs the probability of it to happen again can be more or less, dependent on many factors.
I can amost tell what one number will be in 3 digit, some times I can tell what two will be, but to get three is very hard, unless I can just see number, its out there some where but need radar on.

A royal flush to come Ten Jack, Queen, King, Ace will pay more on slot machine than a random order, but then the chance is less probable.

If you took a deck of cards and could shuffle them enough times , at some point they would be in perfect order. How many times would it take?

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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 05:01 AM by shortywarn
Originally posted by googolplex
reply to
post by shortywarn

Even though the numbers could come 1,2,3,4,5, the odds are still againts such a probability. There is laws of probability, if some thing occurs the probability of it to happen again can be more or less, dependent on many factors.
I can amost tell what one number will be in 3 digit, some times I can tell what two will be, but to get three is very hard, unless I can just see number, its out there some where but need radar on.

A royal flush to come Ten Jack, Queen, King, Ace will pay more on slot machine than a random order, but then the chance is less probable.

If you took a deck of cards and could shuffle them enough times , at some point they would be in perfect order. How many times would it take?

[edit on 10-1-2009 by googolplex]


point taken,,, i would never play 1, 2,3,4,5 ,,,,but from a point it's true,,,,and it kind of blew my mind


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 01:00 PM by googolplex
reply to post by tezzajw

Please reread my post, I did nor say imppossable I said a consective occurance of that sort is highly improbabale.
Given a enough times for occurance to happen it will it will at sometime occure, for one consective numbers, is natural order in adding factor of chaos, it would need give a unexpected occurance with first chaotic selection to return to natural order. After a posisible googol of times consective order would return to consective order, dependent on how many consective numbers you are dealing with .
If you were only dealing with two numbers then I would say the basic probabililty would be 1 in 2, but then it may not happen that way. would lean toward 1in3.



reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 01:33 PM by googolplex
reply to post by shortywarn

Don't not play those numbers if you were going to, it could be there time to come that way, they may not of come that way in long time in cosmos and are jealous and are looking for place to be.
I mean like they to get a turn too. That could be your number.


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 03:19 PM by googolplex
reply to post by jsobecky

Do they show how to do it ,I will go out and get movie right now, even though bad snow storm, if has method will be worth it.


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 03:32 PM by tezzajw
Originally posted by googolplex
reply to
post by tezzajw

Please reread my post, I did nor say imppossable I said a consective occurance of that sort is highly improbabale.

A consecutive sequence like that is as equally probable as any other 5 digit sequence that you could write.

There is nothing special, in terms of random sampling, about the sequence 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 compared to any other sequence. Our biased, human qualities make that a 'special' sequence, because we see it as the 'first' possible sequence, if we were to write down all of the random sequences in an ordered way.


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 03:40 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by googolplex



No no, they have no mathematical 'system' per se. It's much cruder than that.

I don't want to spoil it for you so I won't tell you what they did. It's a comedy, well worth the rental.

[edit on 10-1-2009 by jsobecky]


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 04:27 PM by googolplex
reply to post by tezzajw

Perhaps we should discuss chaos theory, though numbers have no memory they are still things and to have a true random number generator, chaos would have to be master.



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reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 04:34 PM by tezzajw
Originally posted by googolplex
reply to
post by tezzajw

Perhaps we should discuss chaos theory, though numbers have no memory they are still things and to have a true random number generator, chaos would have to be master.

Why do you insist on making random sampling more complex than it is?

From my understanding the lottery balls fall into a barrel. They are mixed, randomly, and then drawn.

Sure, the chaotic nature of the balls will determine the order that they are drawn, but it's a random process.

I don't get what you're trying to imply about chaos theory? Chaos theory is a whole lot more than pulling balls out of a barrel.


reply posted on 10-1-2009 @ 04:44 PM by googolplex
reply to post by tezzajw

With chaos theory probability, still has play in order of things, because the universe it self is some what limited, chaos will seek order.
Just by the random order of chaos, still has order.
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