Paid disinfo agents... we have your proof right here!

Ya I know about them, was in the AirForce too long not to know about them and meet people and in fact had a friend tell me about some stuff he himself was assigned to. It's just when you have two pics of this and one has one number and email and then the second one has completely different information it lends it self to skepticism.

Plus it looks like it was either heavily edited in some of the boxes as they have quite a bit more pixelation than some of the other ones. Could just be a compression gone bad too. No way to know.

But considering real contact info. would only give away the agency that made it not who posted it so they would be safe no matter what the contact info was.

To me looks more like a college type flow chart for an internet class or assignment.

Normally with something like this if it's planed on being printed off in the military and handed out normally they use all black ink with shades of gray to save money because color prints would become extremely expensive.

And of course the fact there is no AirForce seal on it. Every piece of paperwork I sent or received including class room instruction material we were required to place an AirForce seal on it. If you didn't the higher ups would get quite upset with you.

The Air Force probably would need a flow chart to explain how to read the flow chart, they sure are hyped up on regimentation!

There is two of them the first one has a gmail account with a cell phone listing.

The second has replaced that one with the information you posted above.

Multiple versions of the same document with different contact information is just proof it has been manipulated.

Edit: A little more research and I find this second listing is to the office that answers questions about the AirForce Insignia and what it can or can't be legally displayed on, and also helps to police anyone using an AirForce insignia for personal gain or advertisement not approved by the AirForce oh the irony.

The link so you can look and see yourself if you like.
Link

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reply to post by greeneyedleo

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ha ha ha. "stop it." sure, ok, no problem! ha ha ha. that's a good one. i for one believe it's going on as we speak. there is no trolling here. you disprove the military is not monitoring threads. btw, how is it you have so much time on your hands. do you sit at a 'puter all day monitoring what is being said on this board? your always quick, real quick.

And just what do you know about anything that has to do with covert military operations? Because if you do, you'd have signed a NDA and wouldn't be yapping about them on this forum.

So, she answers quick. Big freakin' deal. She has better spelling and grammar than you do.

And she has to disprove that the military isn't monitoring things? Where's your proof that they are? I honestly think the military has better things to do. They aren't waiting by a console, staring at the screen, just waiting for musselwhite to post.

Well I totally agree it looks like BS but this statement isn't exactly true. I've had plenty of materials that never had the symbol. Official documents yet but many AF Forms, IMT Forms, classroom materials, and many Power Point things without it. At least it isn't true everywhere in the AF...

regardless...those charts look...ridiculous

-Kyo

Absolutely brilliant post.

Could not have put that better at all, and really could have used this in the past.

WTG G.E.L.

reply to post by jerico65

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Just want to know if you believe in disinfo agents at all? If so what types of disinfo do you believe has been spread on ATS and by whom? Thanks.

Also I'd like to hear from greeneyedleo about the same question.

Thanks for your responses.

wZn

this should be front page

While everyone is patting themselves on the back. I notice the diversion is in process here. So to all those that believe this particular chart to be bunk, that's fine. However rather than rubbing each others egos ....

how about some constructive input from those people, like the question I just asked Jericho65 and greeneyedleo.

That would be great to know if any of the debunkers of this thread open up on what they think/know about disinformation agents and when this has been applied? eg. Gulf of Tonkin

big smooches too you all

wZn

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Why are people debunkers because they disagree with you?
I know my questions are a little difficult for you, as you seemed to ignore the last one i asked you TWICE.... but can you answer that?


I think that there may well be, probably are, on some level in some areas of the media, dis-info agents... I'm sure nobody would argue that.

Your ENTIRE premise is that if somebody disagrees with what you say, then they are a disinfo agent?
yet you result to personal digs and skip out of any questions you can't answer... perhaps Doth Thou Protest Too Much?

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Good afternoon people.

The back and forth personality conflicts stop as of right now.

The issue, and I remind you because certain folks seem to have forgotten,
is: Paid disinfo agents... we have your proof right here!

Let's keep that in mind shall we? Thanks.

reply to post by seagull

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We are not angry, just debating.

There is no proof to discuss

But we are getting to the reasons the OP believes people are dis-info agents.

He is just about to tell us all... there is no malice here, just banter.

Thanks for that, now anyone else?

wZn

As BlupBlup said, it's probably safe to say that there are disinfo guys out there. Are there here? I don't know. I don't think anyone would know.

But is that original flow chart some sort of "Disinfo blueprint"? I think GEL proved that it wasn't.

Exactly.. the thread wasn't about whether we thought there were or were not agents...

It was your absolute proof there were?

So your questioning is actually off topic.

I thought we were getting somewhere too?

[edit on 8/1/09 by blupblup]

Awesome. Now we're getting somewhere. Thank you for your reply too.

wZn

I have always thought that if someone would place a disinfo agent in a forum like this, it would not be a "debunker" or a "skeptic". It would be a "believer".

Someone who drowned grains of truth in absolutely outrageous and idiotic claims that could very easily be prowen wrong or false. In that way they can discredit conspiracy theorists in general. You know, like the people wearing tin foil hats. They sure have made ufologists a laughing stock in the main stream media and in the eyes of the average person...

I am working under the assumption that this flier is real. I'm not going to banter back and forth on the veracity of the claim. That is just a way to filter the topic.

The point I was trying to make was that if this thing was real, then yes, certainly the soldiers are being used to disinform people. Why? Because the average soldier doesn't have a clue as to the bigger picture of anything the military does. I know this. I am a vet myself.

I remember just after 9-11, the government gave us training on how to conduct yourself during a media interview just in case a reporter asked for your thoughts... We were given strict guidelines on exactly what we could say, or not say. Even came with color print-outs NOT TOO DISSIMILAR from the one we are now questioning. The military will try to put a friendly face (one like this ) on anything they do. No matter how grotesque or inhumane it may be.
There are many reasons why this is so, by the way. And good ones.

I never once said that I thought the military should stop giving guidelines to people posting on the internet. In fact, in a lot of cases, I think it is a good thing. I would only be concerned if the military had its minions outright lie.

And to the poster above who implies that I called military personnel unwitting fools, that is simply not true. As, by proxi, I would be saying the same thing of myself.
I met many, many BRILLIANT people in the military... Even we "grunts" aren't as dumb as the rest of the servicemen would have you believe.

My only concern is the overall situation. I have become so far disassociated with the military it isn't even funny. That being said, I will never speak ill of the troops. Nay, only their handlers.