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Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?


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Topic started on 7-1-2009 @ 03:33 PM by silo13


Big Brother to control thermostats in homes?


www.worldnetdaily.com

Add thermostats to the list of private property the government would like to regulate as the state of California looks to require that residents install remotely monitored temperature controls in their homes next year.

"The implications of this language are far-reaching and Orwellian"...
(visit the link for the full news article)


New York Times Link - thanks to ATS Member Keyhole

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:33 PM by silo13


In so many threads I read the hot winded threats like:
*If they try to take my gun I’ll...*!!!
*If they try to make me get chipped I’ll...*!!!
*If they think they’ll change my currency I’ll up and...*!!!

But all the while you’re waiting for the tabloid gobsmacks to happen, like I’ve listed above, the rest of the story is sneaking in under the wire and being implemented without even barely a public whimper.

The *little things* like making it a crime to sell second hand clothes to poor children on to an OUTSIDER being in control of the INNER WORKINGS OF YOUR HOME!

The thermostat is also capable of controlling other appliances in the house, such as electric water heaters, refrigerators, pool pumps, computers and lights in response to signals from utility companies. If contractors and residents refuse to comply with the mandate, their building permits will be denied.



What’s it going to take for people to put their foot (?) down and say NO MORE!

*P*E*A*C*E*

www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:42 PM by Raist


This is year old news.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

They have been talking about this for some time. Though I guess this could be an update on the project. All I can say is might as well hand over your life California they want to control you.

Raist



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:42 PM by dodgygeeza


I always thought to myself "people WOULD riot if just one of these things was implemented!". It gradually went from that to the feeling of "people SHOULD riot".

Now I know that most simply are too ignorant to know how these things will affect them unless the media decide what the next big scandal would be.

I genuinely believed that people simply wouldn't allow it, but it seems that unless the media are up in arms about something (e.g. the UK Jonathan ross/ Russell Brand uproar), most people will overlook it.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:42 PM by silo13


www.worldnetdaily.com...

(cont.)

Concerned California residents expressed outrage with the proposal in several online postings:

"I hate this state. Why don't we just fly a communist flag while we are at it? We are planning a move out of state. I'm done."

"This is insane. Please, everyone reading this, take action. Write your representatives, call the RINO governor, call your local radio programs and, lastly, write letters to the editors of your local papers. Dear God, just when I thought California couldn't get much worse!"


So, you don't fight, you move.

What happens when there's no more places to move too?



*P*E*A*C*E



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:45 PM by silo13


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The article I refer to is from today, and, speaking of this law being implemented next year.

That sounds like breaking news to me.

But your post brings up exactly my point.

The public takes a look and says “Oh well, they’ve been talking about doing this for a long time... Oh well...”

It’s exactly your type of attitude that the government is depending on.

*P*E*A*C*E*

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:54 PM by sos37


Originally posted by silo13
www.worldnetdaily.com...

(cont.)

Concerned California residents expressed outrage with the proposal in several online postings:

"I hate this state. Why don't we just fly a communist flag while we are at it? We are planning a move out of state. I'm done."

"This is insane. Please, everyone reading this, take action. Write your representatives, call the RINO governor, call your local radio programs and, lastly, write letters to the editors of your local papers. Dear God, just when I thought California couldn't get much worse!"


So, you don't fight, you move.

What happens when there's no more places to move too?



*P*E*A*C*E


Yeah - it's California. Let me reiterate that. IT'S CALIFORNIA. As in the most F***ED up state in the nation, right now, at least as far as local government is concerned.

Californians may let their legislature get away with passing screwed up laws like this, but there are other states that won't stand for it, namely the Republican states that call for smaller, less intrusive government, like Texas.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:57 PM by Raist


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I was more referring to the fact that the thread I linked was from Jan 08 and it said next year then.

But while your article is from today it is still old news. It happens a lot here at ATS for instance I have been seeing the goats with spider DNA since 2005 when it was first reported, just last week it was reported on here again. New sources often dig up old news and pass it off as new, unless they are giving an update.

In this case I am not seeing a real update just the same old reporting for the most part.

Actually your link is from
Posted: January 11, 2008
1:00 am Eastern


Again old news.

Raist



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:02 PM by Hastobemoretolife


And you wonder why they only have a months worth of cash left in the treasury. No actually instead of rioting moving out of state is the best Idea to do.

They want people to get violent instead get one up on them and kill the revenue stream. This won't go over very well you'll see construction drop and lots of businesses start moving out of state and they will be in worse shape then they are in now.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:03 PM by Keyhole


I was going to take this story with a grain of salt because it was from WND, BUT, then I found THIS, from the NY Times, ...

California Seeks Thermostat Control - NY Times

SAN FRANCISCO — The conceit in the 1960s show “The Outer Limits” was that outside forces had taken control of your television set.

Next year in California, state regulators are likely to have the emergency power to control individual thermostats, sending temperatures up or down through a radio-controlled device that will be required in new or substantially modified houses and buildings to manage electricity shortages.

The proposed rules are contained in a document circulated by the California Energy Commission, which for more than three decades has set state energy efficiency standards for home appliances, like water heaters, air conditioners and refrigerators. The changes would allow utilities to adjust customers’ preset temperatures when the price of electricity is soaring. Customers could override the utilities’ suggested temperatures. But in emergencies, the utilities could override customers’ wishes.



So, there it is!

This is just getting ridiculous what the government is wanting to control in our daily lives anymore!

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:20 PM by dodgygeeza


The big energy companies really have the government wrapped round their little finger.

Create a phoney energy supply shortage, shoot up the prices and then when everything goes back to "normal" gradually decrease prices at a very slow rate and level off about 50% more expensive than when it started. Everyone then thinks they're getting a great deal while these energy companies announce record profits in the multi-billions.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:24 PM by silo13


reply to post by Keyhole



Thank you very much for posting the more ATS acceptable link!

I too hesitate to use WND but once in a great great while something does ring true, plus it was that or the Jones Report.

It's 23.30 for me but I'll go read that now, thanks again.

*P*E*A*C*E*



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:33 PM by Kailassa


This will make it nice and easy for those with access to the controls to turn off power to your computer whenever you compose a post critical of the government.

And if pensions get to be too big an expense there will be an easy solution at hand. Fry or freeze all those on welfare.


People trust their guns, but how many will fight the government when they are first indoctrinated into believing these people deserve what they get?

Must stop paedophiles posting porn on the internet, must turn off air conditioning to the homes of terrorists ...
Must believe the labels the government puts on people and never question their motives!



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:38 PM by MischeviousElf


Originally posted by Keyhole
I was going to take this story with a grain of salt because it was from WND, BUT, then I found THIS, from the NY Times, ...



Beat me to it Keyhole star as usual!

Was about to scroogle it quick and check before shouting WORLD NUT DAILY lol, poor silo as recently was jumped on for his first Faal post, but read as only one page before search and you are a gem.

Silo maybe edit entire post with help of Mod to get the NY as the quoted text?

WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

I cant believe it , really is insane, the ultimate in Big brother, it cant surely be true... but looking it seems soo.

My god they could kill off the entire ageing population with one mistake in the winter....

Brilliant Find OP well as sourced by Keyhole...

FLAG, DIG TWISSLE AND SHAKE THIS MUTHA

This is soo Orwell its beyond anything yet.

Emailing friends quickly...

Elf.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:44 PM by Raist


Again though even the NY Times article is a year old.
Published: January 11, 2008


This is for recent breaking news not year old news. I even linked the thread from last year on this. These articles are not updates nor new, they are year old articles the same stuff you can read in the old thread.

Are we now going to just ignore the fact that these are old and nothing new has been added, said, or done?

Raist


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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:06 PM by sylph hugger


I wonder if this never came to pass... it's certainly the first I've ever heard of it.

It really is outrageous!

The interesting thing is that the power companies already have a plan in place to deal with rolling blackouts. I participate in the program and get huge discounts in my energy bills. They attach a shut off device to your AC unit which is activated in case of a looming blackout.

There is nothing done about your heating system, but the power outages only seem to occur in the hotter months.

Many people take part in the program because you save so much money. When we had a heat wave last summer and I ran my AC constantly for a month, my bill was only a little more than $18.00!

So I don't see the need for this Big Brother control unless there really is a sinister purpose to it.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:11 PM by silo13


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Ahhh, I see the fine print now - (Jan 11th) - thanks!

Doesn't change the fact no one’s done a thing about it - but - I agree - this is *Old News*

So we'll just pack it away and move on upwards and onwards to more important issues of Brittany or Paris and forget the Government is going to take over peoples homes this year.

Keep up the good work in your vigilance stamping out fellow ATS'ers mistake threads. It can only go to make ATS a better place.

Thanks

EDIT: I asked a MOD to close the thread, thank you.

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:15 PM by RFBurns


All I gotta say to this is..ROFLMAO!!!

Ya ok so people are going to just put in government controlled thermostats because the government says so...well thats the same thing to putting in borg chips in your brain just because the government says so...would you still do it?

I know I wont.

Now if government wants to pay my heating/cooling bill, then I might go for it.


Cheers!!!!



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:18 PM by Oreyeon


Originally posted by sos37
Originally posted by silo13
www.worldnetdaily.com...

(cont.)

Concerned California residents expressed outrage with the proposal in several online postings:

"I hate this state. Why don't we just fly a communist flag while we are at it? We are planning a move out of state. I'm done."

"This is insane. Please, everyone reading this, take action. Write your representatives, call the RINO governor, call your local radio programs and, lastly, write letters to the editors of your local papers. Dear God, just when I thought California couldn't get much worse!"


So, you don't fight, you move.

What happens when there's no more places to move too?



*P*E*A*C*E


Yeah - it's California. Let me reiterate that. IT'S CALIFORNIA. As in the most F***ED up state in the nation, right now, at least as far as local government is concerned.

Californians may let their legislature get away with passing screwed up laws like this, but there are other states that won't stand for it, namely the Republican states that call for smaller, less intrusive government, like Texas.


And ironically, one of the most intrusive and screwed up Presidents that passed some of the most screwed up laws by following a screwed up "I talk to God" ideology was from Texas. And I don't think I even need to speak it's name.



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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:23 PM by burdman30ott6


You know, a small radio frequency jammer installed directly next to the RF controlled kill/control switch would be a very effective solution to this for anyone that concerned. Legally speaking, property owners have many legal precidents where their right to jam cell phone signals have been upheld so long as the jamming effect does not emenate to the outside of the property boundary. (They use them in some libraries to discourage people from chatting on their cell phones, for example.) The only reason radar jammers are illegal to use in most states is because you're taking your vehicle onto a public road. The courts have aknowledged that you have a right to own them and use them so long as you don't use them on the public highways.

At the very least this would spark up a legal precident court case and would require the courts to publically discern whether a man has the right to block radio signals within his own home.



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