9/11: The Feds did it.

Cracking the Egg

I'm going to post a section out of Ellen Mariani's lawsuit against gwb and co. Please read carefully, click the link and then read through...
If we want to get to the truth , I think is a good start.
Too many weird things you can't just brush aside...

Please read:


c. Plaintiff will demonstrate as Hitler was able to play the anti-communist card to win over skeptical German industrialists, the Bush family is not a newcomer to melding political and business interests. As history and evidence proves, the Bushes got their start as key Hitler supporters. Prescott Bush, father of George Bush Sr., was Hitler's banker and propaganda manager in New York, until FDR confiscated his holdings. Defendant George Bush Sr. used Manuel Noriega as a scapegoat, killing thousands of innocent Panamanians in the process of re-establishing U.S. control over Panama. It is also widely believed that Defendant George W. Bush administration knowingly misled the people about the war in Iraq.

d. Plaintiff will prove there are precedents for these kinds of acts of complicity and fabrications to support the RICO Act basis of this Complaint such as; (1), the contemplation of terrorist attacks on U.S. citizens by the CIA is a matter of public record by release of previously classified "Operation Northwoods" documents. These documents reveal that in 1962, the CIA seriously considered the possibility of carrying out terrorist attacks against US citizens, in order to blame it on Cuba. The plans were never implemented, but were given approval signatures by all the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The plan included several options, including killing Cuban defectors or U.S. soldiers, sinking ships, and staging simulations of planes being shot down done to blame on Castro as a pretext for launching a war against Cuba. The plan specifically stated, "Casualty lists in US newspapers would create a helpful wave of national indignation." Other factual matters of democracies being hoaxed include the sinking of the Maine, Pearl Harbor bombardment, which President Roosevelt is believed to have known about beforehand, and the hoax of the Gulf of Tonkin provocation. Furthermore, as of recent history, namely, Gulf War I, the very Defendants who make up Defendant George W. Bush's administration were the key players, minus Defendant George H. Bush, Sr. who supplied Iraq with its Weapons of Mass Destruction (MWD) and then went to war to destroy the evidence while still, hundreds of thousand of Gulf War I veterans and their families suffer from known toxic exposures yet to be addressed by the very Defendants in this lawsuit.

80. Plaintiff understands the claims and assertions made herein might prove to be extremely shocking to most Americans who could not imagine that their government officials could have any complicity in the "911" attacks but all available evidence indicates this appears to be truth and the truth must finally be conclusively investigated and disclosed in this Honorable Court. Plaintiff further asserts, the wanton acts of Defendants to allow the "911" attacks to profit personally and politically from the ensuing emergency and war is hardly a new phenomenon in history. Similar pretexts have been exploited since the Roman era and in more recent times have been used to launch the US-Mexican War, the Spanish-American War, Hitler's invasion of Poland, the Tonkin Gulf resolution, the Argentinean Falkland War, etc. The Defendants have merely revived this proven stratagem for their own ends and benefit at the cost of American lives including Plaintiff's husband Louis Neil Mariani.

81. Plaintiff believes it is noteworthy to close this RICO Act Count with the observations of Canadian social philosopher John McMurtry:

"To begin with, the forensic principle of 'who most benefits from the crime?' clearly points in the direction of the Bush administration. . .The more you review the connections and the sweeping lapse of security across so many coordinates, the more the lines point backwards [to the White House]."

Lawsuit:
nancho.net...

Originally posted by Colonel
That's right. Blame Clinton. That's the default answer to anything forthe repugnant.

No, blame Bush is the answer from your putrid mouth for everything, KFC. Fortunatly, only moronic peckerwoods like yourself actually believe the claptrap you spew all over this board. But hey, let's break it down, buttnuggitt...


1993 - First attempt to blow up the WTC....who's watch???

Clinton...what did he do???

Nothing....


1995
April 19, Oklahoma City...who's President?

Billy Boy...and he did.....nothing???

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, Khobar Towers blown up...a good friend of mine is killed

Who's on duty?
Clinton...what did he do?

Nothing....

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Our embassies are blown to hell...I get to go in and help clean up the mess...

who's the prez?

Clinton

and what's he do? Lob a few missles at nothing....

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen USS cole blown up

On the pike, Clinton...does...again...nothing...

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa...Saudi whacko's attack...who's on duty? Bush....what's he do? Kicks the SHIITE out of Afganistan, then goes after THE MOST BRUTAL regime on the earth at the time...what happens???

No more terrorism so far on US soil so far....

wow....something must be working...


But hey, Clinton did SUCH a GREAT JOB, right????

Ok, so tell me Affermative Reaction, do you really think that Timothy McVey was the lone conspiritor in the bombing in Oklahoma?

It seems that some find it to be an impossibility that the truck bomb was able to do that damage.

In addition, why were other devices taken from the building.

There are a number of incidents in where the US government has allowed attacks for political reasons.

Pearl Harbor for one.

The Maine?

I find it hard to believe that with all the information out there that you could possibly have such steadfast resolve about the issue like you are Bush's duck hunting pal.

It seems that some find it to be an impossibility that the truck bomb was able to do that damage.

I know a bit about demolitions and have a problem with this. A lot more than the twin towers, at least they were possible.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Ok, so tell me Affermative Reaction, do you really think that Timothy McVey was the lone conspiritor in the bombing in Oklahoma?

It seems that some find it to be an impossibility that the truck bomb was able to do that damage.

In addition, why were other devices taken from the building.

There are a number of incidents in where the US government has allowed attacks for political reasons.

Pearl Harbor for one.

The Maine?

I find it hard to believe that with all the information out there that you could possibly have such steadfast resolve about the issue like you are Bush's duck hunting pal.

What the HELL does McVey having co-conspirators have to do with anything??? I guess that's just a beginning little tit to suck on to sway one from the rest of your post.

Other devices taken from the building? Show me one, just ONE, CREDIBLE SOURCE for that preposterous claim. That is so far out there it's almost too ridiculous to comment on.


Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen? Get real. Again, real sources for these idiotic claims, and no, rense.com is FAR from credible.

The problem with "all the information out there" is that you and crack pots like the colonel use farcical, whimsical sites for your "information". the problem is, none of it can be verified. "A reliable source", isn't good enough. Hard cold facts are. Barring that, you just make it up. "The government has been holding pieces of other devices found at the Oklahoma City bombing to cover up Alien involvement." Sorry....I don't buy the bullshiite you are shoveling, and thankfully, people with brains and common sense don't either.

And my "steadfast resolve" about the issue has nothing to do with any like, dislike, or connection with GWB...it has to do with absolutely despising lying gasbags who have nothing better to do than slander what they do not like. It's political dirty pool, plain and simple. The release of Clarks bull#, flip-flopping book is timed for political reasons, to assist his best friend who just happens to work for the DNC. This so called "bi-partisan commission" is bullshiite as well, and is being used by the democrats on the board to pontificate and make speeches when ever they are on live TV. Condi Rice threw it back in their faces, and since she did such a great job, in another thread, Kentucky Fried Colonel has accused her of perjury, making his claims sound like fact. What a crock. Fact is, every one of his statements is bull#....his opinion, stated as fact.

Call me what you will, but whenever I see people spreading crap, I have an overwhelming desire to open the window and let the stink out.


[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by Amuk

It seems that some find it to be an impossibility that the truck bomb was able to do that damage.

I know a bit about demolitions and have a problem with this. A lot more than the twin towers, at least they were possible.

You obviously know nothing. I've dropped a few Daisy Cutters in my day, and they are, to say the least, devastating. The OKC bomb was three times the size. I'm surprised there was anything left standing.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Ok, so tell me Affermative Reaction, do you really think that Timothy McVey was the lone conspiritor in the bombing in Oklahoma?

It seems that some find it to be an impossibility that the truck bomb was able to do that damage.

In addition, why were other devices taken from the building.

There are a number of incidents in where the US government has allowed attacks for political reasons.

Pearl Harbor for one.

The Maine?

I find it hard to believe that with all the information out there that you could possibly have such steadfast resolve about the issue like you are Bush's duck hunting pal.

What the HELL does McVey having co-conspirators have to do with anything??? I guess that's just a beginning little tit to suck on to sway one from the rest of your post.

Other devices taken from the building? Show me one, just ONE, CREDIBLE SOURCE for that preposterous claim. That is so far out there it's almost too ridiculous to comment on.


Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen? Get real. Again, real sources for these idiotic claims, and no, rense.com is FAR from credible.

The problem with "all the information out there" is that you and crack pots like the colonel use farcical, whimsical sites for your "information". the problem is, none of it can be verified. "A reliable source", isn't good enough. Hard cold facts are. Barring that, you just make it up. "The government has been holding pieces of other devices found at the Oklahoma City bombing to cover up Alien involvement." Sorry....I don't buy the bullshiite you are shoveling, and thankfully, people with brains and common sense don't either.

And my "steadfast resolve" about the issue has nothing to do with any like, dislike, or connection with GWB...it has to do with absolutely despising lying gasbags who have nothing better to do than slander what they do not like. It's political dirty pool, plain and simple. The release of Clarks bull#, flip-flopping book is timed for political reasons, to assist his best friend who just happens to work for the DNC. This so called "bi-partisan commission" is bullshiite as well, and is being used by the democrats on the board to pontificate and make speeches when ever they are on live TV. Condi Rice threw it back in their faces, and since she did such a great job, in another thread, Kentucky Fried Colonel has accused her of perjury, making his claims sound like fact. What a crock. Fact is, every one of his statements is bull#....his opinion, stated as fact.

Call me what you will, but whenever I see people spreading crap, I have an overwhelming desire to open the window and let the stink out.


[Edited on 10-4-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

OK, so since you think that people who believe all the information out there is true are lying garbage spreaders, wouldn't you be of the same ilk?

You believe all the conspiracy information is bogus or lies right?

How can that be possible? How can all the information out there be bogus?

Fact is, is that there has to be truth out there somewhere in the middle. I'm not saying I believe everything, but currently am in the middle of investigating a number of events in the past decade or so, and some interesting things have come up.

Anyway, I find it rediculous that you could cast out a wealth of information because some are bad or lies.

I suggest no one believe anyone else. Just do your own objective research via web searches and research on your own. Lookup �9-11 Hoax�, �9-11 staged�, �9-11 Faked� for the web portion.

I used to be very Hawkish on 9-11. My view was the US should tell every country get rid of terrorists or else. If we are every attacked again then we'll nuke you if we think your involved.

I thought that way cause I ran the numbers:
I figured the return on investment for the "Terrorists" was at least 100,000 to 1. For every dollar they invested (food, lodging, training, travel) they made $100,000 US dollars in profit (so to say). We cannot sustain a war like that folks. We can�t beat those odds.

I know am fully confident that 9-11 was a Hoax, a staged event.

I have 6 categories of reasons why and here are just of few of the entries in each:

1) The evidence
a) No "757" hit the pentagon. Some plane perhaps dressed up to look like one but smaller.
b) The plane that hit the 2nd tower had a Pod under neither it that no commercial aircraft would.
c) It is damn hard to collapse a modern steel and concrete building vertically. All 3 buildings at the WTC went down in an almost impossible way, at the speed of gravity and in record time. In fact no other modern steel and concrete building have ever collapsed by fire.
d) The plane that hit tower #2 lost most of its fuel on impact, exhausted out the side of the building.
e) Jet Fuel and Diesel fuel do not burn hot enough to soften steel. Estimates indicate there were simply not enough Joules present to do this.
f) Seismic events recorded just prior to the collapse indicate the bases were mined and exploded.
g) A whole bunch more!
2) The �Coincidences�
a) Governor Jed Bush signs an order putting the National Guard into control of all police forces in Florida (if necessary) just a few days before 9-11.
b) President Bush is in Florida when 9-11 takes place.
c) Rumsfeld talking to Larry King seconds before 9-11 saying a catastrophic event would likely hit the US within the year.
d) FEMA emergency personnel were in New York City the day before 9-11 for the event
e) The WTC was sold for the 1st time in its history a few months before .9-11
f) The Military was in a stand down mode around Washington on 9-11 why?
g) Bin Laden gets away in Afghanistan.
3) Behavior: Red Herrings � Misdirection - Intimidation
a) Why was the evidence at the WTC removed and shipped to Japan for reprocessing without a really through forensic investigation?
b) How was a complicated document like the �Patriot Act� written after 9-11 and passed through congress so quickly?
c) Why did we here about Laci Peterson and nothing about a staged event? Why has it not been given an honest consideration? Why Sell, Sell, Sell the Terrorists and Laci?
d) Why was �Patriotism� posed as an intimidation tactic?
e) When there are potentially billions in suspicious stock trades taking place around 9-11, why were be being shown Tyco, WoldCom, Martha Stewart?
f) The way �Airport Security� was pushed in our faces after 9-11. A Terrorist does not need a �weapon� of any kind to take over an airplane. And what about airfreight?
g) Why were the Bin Laden family members living within miles of CIA headquarters before 9-11? Why were they given safe passage out of the US?
h) Why did the head of Controlled Demolition (Kingdom, Okalahoma City, Demolition plan for 9-11) say that the reason-liquefied steel was found at the bases of the Towers after 9-11 was because carpet was burning in the wells? Steel liquefies at 2,900 degrees and he new that!
i) One of the main critics of going to war with Iraq the guy who used to be part of the inspection teams. Suddenly is discredited with some porn thing. That does not smell good!
j) The Presidents response to 9-11 was against established protocol; he just sat in the classroom.
4) Logic
a) If the �Terrorists� exist and declared war and are trying to destroy us and their 1st serious effort nets a $100,00+/1 return on investment, why haven�t they continued the war? The war is here in the US not Afghanistan or Iraq. This probably belongs in the Red Herring Category as well. There are millions of ways to bleed us economically to death and cause perpetual terror in the US. Why if we are at war with Terrorists hasn�t it continued?
b) Where is the war on terror? There really isn�t one.
c) Why do we tolerate Heroin production in Afghanistan?
5) History
a) The declassified Northwood document contains 9-11 like scenarios. Yet the Northwood document is also an act of treason plain and simple. For the Pentagon to be thinking along the lines of manipulating the American people for it�s ends is treason. Why has it not been pursued as such?
b) JFK � A successful cover-up has already been done and the president goes way beyond just a coup replacing the president. It established the willingness and ability to do so. What must be extensive blackmail and extortion.
c) When Carter was president, George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA and Osama Bin Ladin was a good guy. Relationships with the Bin Ladin family are established or extended.

6) Rumors
a) Most of the supposed 9-11 terrorists have been seen after 9-11.

Guesses:
1) Herding the population is the game. Red Herring/Misdirection/Intimidation i.e. Population/Mind control (PsyOps)
2) Al-Qaida is a CIA operation. Those ski mask videos really sold the American People didn�t they!
3) The extortion is extensive but the control is limited to a few that are just plain getting away with it because we let them!
4) Bush/Kerry no difference.
5) If Osama Bin Laden is captured tomorrow it won�t be the real one. Osama survived cause he was on the CIA�s side doing his job.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
OK, so since you think that people who believe all the information out there is true are lying garbage spreaders, wouldn't you be of the same ilk?

You believe all the conspiracy information is bogus or lies right?

How can that be possible? How can all the information out there be bogus?

Fact is, is that there has to be truth out there somewhere in the middle. I'm not saying I believe everything, but currently am in the middle of investigating a number of events in the past decade or so, and some interesting things have come up.

Anyway, I find it rediculous that you could cast out a wealth of information because some are bad or lies.

You see, that's how rumors and lies get started...by doing what you just did. You put words in my mouth that were never spoken (written). I NEVER said that I "think that people who believe all the information out there is true are lying garbage spreaders". You said that. What I said was that when it's obvious that it is a lie, when the so-called "information" is just so much unsubstantiated hogwash, then you need to call a spade a spade. Common sense should rule, not sensationalism.

The truth does NOT have to be somewhere in the middle. That's the pisspoor assumption of someone who has no concrete evidence to back up claims that have no basis in fact. The "wealth of information" you speak of, I'm afraid, is usually other conspiracy sites playing on the ignorance of some, and the anger of others. for example, Democrats who are pissed that GWB won the election will IMMEADIATLY believe he orchestrated 9/11, the Vietnam war, Pearl Harbor, and the crucifixion of Christ if someone tells them it is so. Unfortunately, HATE is the strongest emotion, not love. Just ask any Islamic militant.

I guarantee you that I could start a preposterous rumor that would spread throughout the USA in mere days if I so desired. All it would take is a simple email to friends that usually email me with every crackpot scam and virus threat. Instead of taking a minute to research it, they simply do what the hoaxer wants them to do and send it out to their entire address book. A perfect example is my cousin who sent me the, "WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED!" hoax about the "A Card for You." virus. Took a two second copy and paste Google search to prove it a hoax. Stupid, eh? And she's a DOCTOR, and a good one at that!!! You would think she would have the sense to not spread things like that, but no. So, on the basis of what I do for a living, I could send out an email that would be immediately believed, and would make the rounds in no time. It would be posted here by someone else and quoted as fact, regardless of the fact that it would be total bullshiite. But because of the old, "friend of a friends cousin who knows what he's talking about" syndrome, it would be fact in many people's eyes. It would then join your, "wealth of information" for all to quote as fact. (Sorry...did I use "fact" too many times there? )

While I don't deny all the information out there is false, 99% of the conspiracy related stuff is just that...stuff. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction

Originally posted by Colonel
No, blame Bush is the answer from your putrid mouth for everything, KFC. Fortunatly, only moronic peckerwoods like yourself actually believe the claptrap you spew all over this board. But hey, let's break it down, buttnuggitt...

Buttnugget? Peckerwood? Look, you need to stop living your "Deliverance" fantasies and get with the topic.


1993 - First attempt to blow up the WTC....who's watch???

Clinton...what did he do???

Nothing....

Lie. Clinton was just in his presidency and what DID he do. He went after the perpetrators, caught them, and served them justice. They're in prison right now. Where are the guys that plotted 9/11?

1995
April 19, Oklahoma City...who's President?

Billy Boy...and he did.....nothing???

Lie. Timothy McVeigh is dead. He got justice. Others are incarcerated

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, Khobar Towers blown up...a good friend of mine is killed

Who's on duty?
Clinton...what did he do?

Nothing....

I'm not sure. Have tyo research this.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Our embassies are blown to hell...I get to go in and help clean up the mess...

who's the prez?

Clinton

and what's he do? Lob a few missles at nothing....

He was doing his job trying to get the perpetrators but was hampered by you repugnants and your multimillion dollar investigation into fellatio. Every move he made in stopping terrorists was considered "Wagging the Dog" to detract from Monica, so stop LYING.

Oh, you so conveniently ommitted the near catasphrophic 2000 Millineum Attack in NY and in Seattle which he foiled.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen USS cole blown up

On the pike, Clinton...does...again...nothing...

Lie. Clinton had a plan of attack for theose that did the Cole and handed it over to the Bush administration ---if you watched the Condi Rice Hearings. THe Bush Admin did...nothing.

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa...Saudi whacko's attack...who's on duty? Bush....what's he do? Kicks the SHIITE out of Afganistan, then goes after THE MOST BRUTAL regime on the earth at the time...what happens???

Suadi whacko attack so why doesn't he go after Saudi Arabia? Why hasn't he caught Osama as Clinton did with the other terrorists mentioned? Why is Bush allowing the Bin Laden's to exit the US before questioning? You automoton.

[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Colonel]

Does it bother any of you how these people just get on this board and LIE?

Originally posted by Colonel


Lie. Clinton was just in his presidency and what DID he do. He went after the perpetrators, caught them, and served them justice. They're in prison right now. Where are the guys that plotted 9/11?

Yeah, everybody lies but you, right mealy mouth? You are so full of Shiite, but then, Clinton needs all the apologists he can get. He had EIGHT YEARS to do something�.he did nothing. If he had, none of what is going on right now would have happened.

LIE! Clinton got a blind cleric. Wow, did he have to use a seeing eye dog to get the blind guy? The Pakistani�s got Ramsi Yousef. The guys who plotted 9/11 are either in liquid form ( the hijackers) in custody (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed) or hiding out in the moutain caves of Afganistan eating their donkeys.


Lie. Timothy McVeigh is dead. He got justice. Others are incarcerated

Even I don�t think McVey acted alone. There were MANY more conspirators. And oh, LIE! Only one is incarcerated. Clinton didn�t go after the rest because he was afraid that America would look at him poorly because it was domestic terrorism. He left it at the two, so it would look like a couple of extreamist whackos.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, Khobar Towers blown up...a good friend of mine is killed



I'm not sure. Have tyo research this.

Research all you want, bucko�Actually, I�ll tell you what he DID do about this. He fired an Air Force General. Made him a scape goat. That�s the legacy of the clinton era military. His favorite thing to do was to pass the buck, place the blame on an individual, regardless of wether they could have impacted the system, and impale them. Just ask the family of the Airman who commited suicide after he was railroaded after an F-15 crash in Germany. Yeah, Clinton was the king of morale boosters. The reason all he ever did was lob cruise missles is that he didn�t have the confidence of the military. Wow...pass the buck...place the blame...that sounds just like you, Ken-tacky Fried Kernal!




He was doing his job trying to get the perpetrators but was hampered by you repugnants and your multimillion dollar investigation into fellatio. Every move he made in stopping terrorists was considered "Wagging the Dog" to detract from Monica, so stop LYING.

Oh, you so conveniently ommitted the near catasphrophic 2000 Millineum Attack in NY and in Seattle which he foiled.

Doing his job trying to get the perps? WHAT!?? Dude, besides being one of the biggest liars on this bord, you are delusinal. The opposite is true. He made a weak attempt to send a few FBI guys over to try to distract attention AWAY from his domestic problems. He made NO moves to stop terrorism, he did nothing but HAMPER efforts. And don�t tell me I�m lying about this, dinkus, because I WAS THERE! During the Clinton years, so much money and resources was diverted from intelligence gathering efforts, that we lost what the CIA estimates to be over 90% of our HUMINT resources. Billary wanted to go all satalite.

As far as the Millineum attack, Clinton had absolutly NOTHING to do with thwarting that. It was one alert boarder guard doing her job, and quite well I might add, that caught the moron trying to cross into the US from Canada. So�STOP LYING!!!




Lie. Clinton had a plan of attack for theose that did the Cole and handed it over to the Bush administration ---if you watched the Condi Rice Hearings. THe Bush Admin did...nothing.

Sorry, again, you twist and turn, like a hung criminal in the wind. No plan was presented, and I challenge you to prove Dr. Rice ever said any plan about the Cole was presented by Clinton. Bottom line, you continue to, in this and other threads, present your whacko opinions as fact. Nothing to back anything u, but you present them as the truth. Sorry, but as is plainly evidenced, you are the fulli of shiite�try again. And I notice you in no way tried to answer my last point...cant lie your way out of that one, can you...

Originally posted by Colonel
Does it bother any of you how these people just get on this board and LIE?

Yes, Kernal...you bother many, MANY people with your constant lies....

Originally posted by ReelView
I suggest no one believe anyone else. Just do your own objective research via web searches and research on your own. Lookup �9-11 Hoax�, �9-11 staged�, �9-11 Faked� for the web portion.

I used to be very Hawkish on 9-11. My view was the US should tell every country get rid of terrorists or else. If we are every attacked again then we'll nuke you if we think your involved.

I thought that way cause I ran the numbers:
I figured the return on investment for the "Terrorists" was at least 100,000 to 1. For every dollar they invested (food, lodging, training, travel) they made $100,000 US dollars in profit (so to say). We cannot sustain a war like that folks. We can�t beat those odds.

I know am fully confident that 9-11 was a Hoax, a staged event.

You see, Jethro, this guy is EXACTLY what I�m talking about...look at how he searched...
�9-11 Hoax�, �9-11 staged�, �9-11 Faked� What on EARTH do you think is going to come up from the one sided biased searches like this? Come on!!!

He then goes on to state all that he believes as fact...FACT! No plane hit the Pentagon...extra bulbous appendage on one of the WTC planes...what a bunch of bull...sounds just like the Kernal. this is what I mean by crack pots starting rumors that others pick up as truth. Most just don't know what to believe because of what you say is "all the information out there", where as angry militant leftist whacko's like the Kernal jump on it because they can twist it further to try to besmirch those they hate, which is anybody who has ANY opinion that even slightly differs from their own.


[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Affirmative Reaction]

Originally posted by Colonel

DAVID RAY GRIFFIN: I think there are four. One is the fact that standard operating procedures for dealing with possibly hijacked airplanes were not followed on 9/11. Those procedures call for fighter jets to be sent out immediately upon any sign that a plane may have been hijacked. These jets typically get to the plane within no later than 15 minutes anywhere in the United States. And on that day, there were four airplanes that went for a half-hour or more after they were hijacked without jets intercepting them.

I smell psuedo science....

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Just for the record, I have personaly taken most of those same flight destinations many times over the years and let me tell you, they are over before you even know it.

The planes were in the air for 30 minutes? Ok, maybe this guy doesn't know that it takes under 25 minutes to go from Boston's Logan Airport to NYC as well as the flight from Newark to DC, which is also very short. By the time it was established that those planes had been high-jacked, the message sent out to the AF and those interceptors were scrambled, it was already too late. There was certainly a time lapse because this was not one jet highjacked, it was FOUR. Simulaneously! Facts had to be determined and sorted while giving the go order.

Once it is determined that a high-jacking is in progress, the Air Traffic Controllers inform the FAA, FBI, AF etc.... It takes a quite a few of those precious minutes to get everyone coordinated and get fighters in the air. Not nearly as simple as the author of the article would like to think. And I would bet the farm that the terrorists were using that lag time as an allie.

Whoever in the Al-Qaeda camp that did the actual planning of 911 was a logistical genius. The interceptor and response time factor was definitely taken into account by the planners. The simultaneous highjacking of multiple jets caught everyone off guard. Does anyone ever stop to think why the highjackers choose those particular flights and airports? Long range flights(lots of fuel, and large planes) and airports close to the intended targets.(beat the US to the punch ie. won't know what hit them)

What were the interceptors going to do if they caught up to the first three jets? Shoot them down over the NYC or downtown DC? You can't predict where a plane is going to crash when shot down.

Now for the Pentagon thing......this is where he really lost me. How did the craft wreckage and the bodies of the passengers get in there? Is the guy going to tell me that that stuff was planted? I will not even bother with his photo comments....

Maybe people like to believe this conspiracy stuff rather than deal with the painful reality that a bunch of middle eastern red-necks, through careful planning and determination, caught us with our pants down.

Your reply is well thought out and correct, something that will definatly raise the ire of the Kernal, and will make you a target for his next attack of lies and twisted words.

I don't think it was a case of being caught with our pants down tho, as nobody in their right mind would have EVER IMAGINED what the Islamic whackos were able to pull off. Who would be so evil as to even think of it? I still find it beyond the scope of my worst nightmares. In addition, at that time, there was no, I repeat NO PROTOCOL for shooting down ANY airliner, domestic or foreign, that had been hijacked, both for the reason you stated, and for the fact that nobody had ever done what was done on 9/11 before. Money, release of prisoners, or transportation to another country was all that had been demanded in prior hijackings, for the most part.

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
Yeah, everybody lies but you.

No, just repugnants.

LIE! Clinton got a blind cleric. Wow, did he have to use a seeing eye dog to get the blind guy? The Pakistani�s got Ramsi Yousef. The guys who plotted 9/11 are either in liquid form ( the hijackers) in custody (Khalid Shaikh Mohammed) or hiding out in the moutain caves of Afganistan eating their donkeys.

Yeah, he got a blind cleric---the spiritual leader of those terrorists. Just like the Iraelis took o ut that other cleric who was the spiritual leader of Hamas! You're such a moron. Who did Bush get? Did he get anybody? Have the perpetrators been brought to justice?

HAMBURG, Germany (CNN) -- The only suspect convicted in the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States has been released from a German jail, pending a retrial.

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WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE SUSPECTS! WHERE'S OSAMA!

Even I don�t think McVey acted alone. There were MANY more conspirators. And oh, LIE! Only one is incarcerated. Clinton didn�t go after the rest because he was afraid that America would look at him poorly because it was domestic terrorism.

I see you and Clinton are buddies being that youknow somuch about him and his reasons for doing #. You are such a backwater fool.

He made a weak attempt to send a few FBI guys over to try to distract attention AWAY from his domestic problems. He made NO moves to stop terrorism, he did nothing but HAMPER efforts.

You see how the repugnant operates. ANY attempt to stop terrorism is a weak attempt if done by Clinton---even if it succeeds. Yet, this president has brought "none to justice" and claims that he's the war president like he's in some damn movie and being the backwater dunce that you are, you fall for it.


And don�t tell me I�m lying about this, dinkus, because I WAS THERE! During the Clinton years, so much money and resources was diverted from intelligence gathering efforts, that we lost what the CIA estimates to be over 90% of our HUMINT resources. Billary wanted to go all satalite. [i/]

Whatever.

As far as the Millineum attack, Clinton had absolutly NOTHING to do with thwarting that. It was one alert boarder guard doing her job, and quite well I might add, that caught the moron trying to cross into the US from Canada. So�STOP LYING!!!


Colonel: That's right, liar. Don't give the president credit when his people stop a MAJOR attack on our soil but blame him when an attack does occur but on someone else's watch---namely a lazy repugnant. So, can you tell jme why Clinton freely gave his documents on his efforts against terrorism to trhe Commission and Bush is trying to hide it---AS HE ALWAYS DOES, "SMART GUY?"

Sorry, again, you twist and turn, like a hung criminal in the wind. No plan was presented, and I challenge you to prove Dr. Rice ever said any plan about the Cole was presented by Clinton.

From Colonel:

KERREY: Well, I think it's an unfortunate figure of speech because I think, especially after the attack on the Cole on the 12th of October, 2000, it would not have been swatting a fly. It would not have been -- we did not need to wait to get a strategic plan.

Dick Clarke had in his memo on the 20th of January overt military operations. He turned that memo around in 24 hours, Dr. Clarke. There were a lot of plans in place in the Clinton administration -- military plans in the Clinton administration.

In fact, since we're in the mood to declassify stuff, there was -- he included in his January 25 memo two appendices -- Appendix A: "Strategy for the elimination of the jihadist threat of al Qaeda," Appendix B: "Political military plan for al Qaeda."

So I just -- why didn't we respond to the Cole?

KERREY: Why didn't we swat that fly?

RICE: I believe that there's a question of whether or not you respond in a tactical sense or whether you respond in a strategic sense; whether or not you decide that you're going to respond to every attack with minimal use of military force and go after every -- on a kind of tit-for-tat basis.

By the way, in that memo, Dick Clarke talks about not doing this tit-for-tat, doing this on the time of our choosing.

I'm aware, Mr. Kerrey, of a speech that you gave at that time that said that perhaps the best thing that we could do to respond to the Cole and to the memories was to do something about the threat of Saddam Hussein.

That's a strategic view...

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[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Colonel]

[Edited on 11-4-2004 by Colonel]