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Topic started on 7-1-2009 @ 01:40 PM by burdman30ott6
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Pelicans fall out of sky from Mexico to Ore
seattletimes.nwsource.com
 Pelicans suffering from a mysterious malady are crashing into cars and boats, wandering along roadways and turning up dead by the hundreds
across the West Coast, from southern Oregon to Baja California, Mexico, bird-rescue workers say.
Weak, disoriented birds are huddling in people's yards or being struck by cars. More than 100 have been rescued along the California coast, according
to the International Bird Rescue Research Center in San Pedro.
Hundreds of birds, disoriented or dead, have been observed across the West Coast.
"One pelican actually hit a car in Los Angeles," said Rebecca Dmytryk of Wildrescue, a bird-rescue operation. "One pelican hit a boat in Monterey."
While some of the symptoms resemble those associated with domoic-acid poisoning — an ocean toxin that sometimes affects sea birds and mammals —
other symptoms do not. Domoic acid also apparently has not been found in significant amounts offshore, although more tests are needed.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 01:40 PM by burdman30ott6
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What in the world? It seems like every 3 or 4 years we see news of a massive pelican doe off or major illness affecting primarily pelicans. One has
to wonder how such a creature has survived this long if they are so prone to maladies.
Seriously though, what would cause this over such a wide area? You'd think if it was a simple toxin, other birds or fish would be observed suffering
as well. Could this be an early sign of something further reaching on the horizon? Bird flu? Chemical poisons in the Pacific? Sensitivity to
magnetic field changes? Sensitivity to radio frequencies? The possibillities are really endless and this is certainly worth keeping updated on.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 02:09 PM by ZindoDoone
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Aren't pelicans kind of like the goats of the sea birds? They eat almost anything and fish dead or alive and rotting is normal. Its probably
something they dumped into the sea in Mexico though. They dump toxins with no regard for safety!
Zindo
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 02:27 PM by seagrass
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Hmmm. I live in Oregon and I haven't heard anything about it. I will look into it.
and yes, goats of the sea would be a good description. I once walked right up to one who seemed sick. He wasn't scared and didn't back away at all.
I think I was more scared of it, and that beak is frickin huge...
This was about 3 years ago I think.
Brown Pelicans
Domoic acid, a neurotoxin, is produced by microscopic algae. Birds and sea mammals ingest the acid by eating fish and shellfish that consume the
algae. Birds poisoned by domoic acid generally experience seizures, but the pelicans admitted to the rescue centers did not suffer seizures, Holcomb
said. Rescuers have sent pelican blood samples and carcasses to state and federal wildlife authorities and laboratories that specialize in detecting
potentially fatal algae toxins. Holcomb said test results are expected in about a
week. Oregonlive
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:03 PM by plumranch
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I searched and the last pelican die off (that I found) was 2004 and involved young birds and starvation. Pelican die offs are relatively common and
natural. There are apparently about 15,000 pelicans on the west coast. A few hundred deaths is unfortunate but not that uncommon.
The autopsy and histopath, bacteriology,virology, and toxicology report will be important.
Linky:
Cause of pelican die-off deemed natural
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 08:48 PM by kosmicjack
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Somehow hundreds of confused birds with swollen feet doesn't seem "natural".
You'd think if it was a simple toxin, other birds or fish would be observed suffering as well. Could this be an early sign of something further
reaching on the horizon? Bird flu? Chemical poisons in the Pacific? Sensitivity to magnetic field changes? Sensitivity to radio frequencies?
I think Burdman's questions are excellent.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 09:37 PM by plumranch
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Bird flu? Chemical poisons in the Pacific? Sensitivity to magnetic field changes? Sensitivity to radio frequencies?
I think like a veterinarian because I am a veterinarian. So I wouldn't think first of the above threats, I would think of perhaps frostbite causing
the swollen feet and thereby causing a lameness that prevents the bird from feeding leading to weakness and confusion. That's just an opinion. I
would wait for the labwork to come back before making any decision.
You mentioned Bird Flu. Do you know how many cases of that we had come over from China??? Zero. Do you know how many billions of dollars were spent
on this disease worldwide? Several. Was it blown out of all proportions by World Health Organization? IMHO greatly! Go figure.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 09:42 PM by kosmicjack
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Originally posted by plumranch
I think like a veterinarian because I am a veterinarian. I would wait for the labwork to come back before making any decision.
That's great. Maybe when there is a follow-up to this story you can help us understand the medical reason behind it.
Originally posted by plumranch
You mentioned Bird Flu. Do you know how many cases of that we had come over from China??? Zero. Do you know how many billions of dollars were spent
on this disease worldwide? Several. Was it blown out of all proportions by World Health Organization? IMHO greatly! Go figure.
I completely agree.
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reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 04:02 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Did you ever think the government chem trails have anything to do with it? I do.
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reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 04:58 AM by freedomandliberty
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see this world is full of wonders birds migrate right? terrorist cant attack the us through mail or anything its simple put it in a bird that flys by
instinct how do you stop that? how do you build security to that we are not protected at all we have open waters as well and we eat food........
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reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 06:48 AM by HunkaHunka
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
What in the world? It seems like every 3 or 4 years we see news of a massive pelican doe off or major illness affecting primarily pelicans. One has
to wonder how such a creature has survived this long if they are so prone to maladies.
I would think the same could be said of humans. Perhaps, as with humans, it is only our numbers which keep us from the extinction of maladies.
Seriously though, what would cause this over such a wide area? You'd think if it was a simple toxin, other birds or fish would be observed suffering
as well. Could this be an early sign of something further reaching on the horizon? Bird flu? Chemical poisons in the Pacific? Sensitivity to
magnetic field changes? Sensitivity to radio frequencies? The possibillities are really endless and this is certainly worth keeping updated on.
seattletimes.nwsource.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
Thanks for the post...
Definitely lots of questions to be answered 
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