FEMA Ordered 102,000 Boxcars With Shackles!, page 6
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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 01:52 PM by Michelle129
reply to post by Mdv2



The problem is that none of you on the pro-FEMA boxcar side are paying attention. This story about the 102000 boxcars being made/contracted out is from back in like 1995, NOT 2009.

So to say why would they be making 100000 auto boxcars when the auto industry is in shambles makes no sense whatsoever. Look on page one at my links...the top one is this SAME story on this SAME board from 2004.

And then look at Telos' post on page 5...again the SAME story about 100000 some odd "shackled boxcars" from 1995! This story is at the very least 13 years old. These boxcars are not new and/or recently made items.

Michelle


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 02:00 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by ignorant_ape


They were sucked up by a mothership piloted by Reptilians and David Icke and deposited at the fictional Avon Park Concentration Camp. Trust me, if the Clintons stashed guillotines in Florida, some pissed off soldier would have let that slip during the Monica scandal. Either document these claims or get help, some of you sound like you really want this crap to happen.


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:20 PM by thegreatone
reply to post by Quarantine



very interesting. Could it be that these are being constructed for deportation of illegal immigrants? Im just saying our government isnt going to shackle everyday joes. They COULD,but they wont. They know better than anyone that the general public wont stand for it. Couple that with police and military people already stating that IF things go that route, they will work from the inside to bring it down. I just hope its either for illegal immigrants or maybe they are even shipping them overseas? cant say for sure but is scary.


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:31 PM by Quarantine
reply to post by thegreatone



That's the general consensus. Every official story I have heard pertaining to prison cars were for that very reason, I'm more inclined to believe them. I don't doubt for a second that there has been talk of American roundups, with all the Rex-84 and Martial Law talk it's hard to say what the future holds. It's things like this that you could run with in so many directions and any one of them may contain bits of truth. Whatever the case, it's not worth losing sleep over until/if it happens.


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 11:41 PM by gimmefootball400
reply to post by Quarantine


People keep saying that FEMA is buying thses railcars that supposedly have shackles and chains in them. Even people have claimed that FEMA has ordered these cars and are in posession of them. There is no evidence what so ever to support this claim. There are no pictures that support any so-called evidence that these cars exist. Most of the pictures that people have posted on here claiming that the railroad car in the picture are "Prison Cars," while the cars themselves are nothing but tri-level autoracks. These cars usually make trains up by themselves or some can be found on just Plain Jane freight train. Nowadays, most of these cars are sitting in either staging yards or in a holding facility since the auto industry is on its heels.

Speaking as a "Railway Enthusiast," I know what autoracks look like both inside and out. The shackles that you call them are only there to hold automobiles in place while they are in transit after final assembly to their unloading facilities that vary from automaker to automaker and dealer to dealer. These cars can go just about anywhere in the United States and Canada with clearance heights and width restrictions permitting. With these cars, it makes it more efficient and cheaper to transport new automobiles to dealerships rather than just by shipping new automobiles in fewer numbers by truck. The arrangements in these cars can vary to accompany up to sixteen compact cars, eight full-sized sedans, or six full-sized sport utility vehicles.

These cars have had major improvements over the past thirty five to fourty plus years that autoracks have been in service on American railroads. It used to be when the "new" idea of transporting automobiles by rail came about. The railroads or rail car manufactuers either built the cars themselves or they just simply added a second and a third level to a traditional flatcar. This brought about the enclosed bi-level autorack in the early to mid 1970s which would protect automobiles in transit from the assembly plant to the off-loading facilities. Sometime around 1980 or 81, Trailer Train Coporation came up with the idea of increasing capacity on autoracks by just adding a third level to the popular bi-level autoracks that had been in service for the past ten years. Due to height and clearance restrictions on some railroad lines, most of these cars take whatever railroad lines that seem to be able to handle these excess height cars without any sort of problems.

reply to post by Michelle129


Those are some nice pictures of some autoracks right there Michelle. The first photo is of a Trailer Train Corporation AutoMax autorack that has been leased to the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway. The second and third photos are of the Aluminum Vehicle Carriers (AVCs) built by Johnstown America in Johnstown, Pennsylvania around the 2000 - 2001. Yes indeed, these carriers are still in use on Amtrak's famous Auto-Train Service that runs between Lorton, Virginia and Sanford, Florida.
reply to post by Melbourne_Militia


The photos that you have in your post there a nothing more than tool cars that have been converted either from old troop sleepers or old boxcars. I also see that you have some more Auto-Max Articulated Carriers in that last photo. Again, all it is is just a plain old autorack on steroids.

My question is.

Why are you starting what has turned out to be nothing but a load of fear mongering that has been going on here on ATS for the past three to four years? I, for one, have not seen any evidence to support this story of FEMA posessing so-called "Prison Cars." It's not that hard for most of us to see that these are nothing but Autoracks and AutoMaxes. All I have to ask is the following question to the author of the opening post. Have you ever seen an automobile/autoparts train in your life? If you have seen an autorack before you posted this. Why are you posting this in the first place? I do not know why this happens, but one of these threads seem to pop up out of nowhere when you least expect it. It always seems to be every six to eight months when one of these get posted. There is at least five or six topics like this that I have seen in the four years that I have been a member here. When a thread like this gets posted, I always have my doubts about them.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 07:32 AM by Anonymous ATS
Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps
News Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,
New America Media, Feb 08, 2006
Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.

BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."

The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.

To date, some newspapers have worried that open-ended provisions in the contract could lead to cost overruns, such as have occurred with KBR in Iraq. A Homeland Security spokesperson has responded that this is a "contingency contract" and that conceivably no centers might be built. But almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.

For those who follow covert government operations abroad and at home, the contract evoked ominous memories of Oliver North's controversial Rex-84 "readiness exercise" in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary "refugees," in the context of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States. North's activities raised civil liberties concerns in both Congress and the Justice Department. The concerns persist.

"Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters," says Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of its activities in Vietnam. "They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants. As Alonzo Chardy reported in the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987, an executive order for continuity of government (COG) had been drafted in 1982 by FEMA head Louis Giuffrida. The order called for "suspension of the Constitution" and "declaration of martial law." The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a memo by Giuffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff.

In 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 188, one of a series of directives that authorized continued planning for COG by a private parallel government.

Two books, James Mann's "Rise of the Vulcans" and James Bamford's "A Pretext for War," have revealed that in the 1980s this parallel structure, operating outside normal government channels, included the then-head of G. D. Searle and Co., Donald Rumsfeld, and then-Congressman from Wyoming Dick Cheney.

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets. One month later John Brinkerhoff, the author of the 1982 FEMA memo, published an article arguing for the legality of using U.S. troops for purposes of domestic security.

Then in April 2002, Defense Dept. officials implemented a plan for domestic U.S. military operations by creating a new U.S. Northern Command (CINC-NORTHCOM) for the continental United States. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called this "the most sweeping set of changes since the unified command system was set up in 1946."

The NORTHCOM commander, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced, is responsible for "homeland defense and also serves as head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD).... He will command U.S. forces that operate within the United States in support of civil authorities. The command will provide civil support not only in response to attacks, but for natural disasters."

John Brinkerhoff later commented on PBS that, "The United States itself is now for the first time since the War of 1812 a theater of war. That means that we should apply, in my view, the same kind of command structure in the United States that we apply in other theaters of war."

Then in response to Hurricane Katrina in Sept. 2005, according to the Washington Post, White House senior adviser Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, that she should explore legal options to impose martial law "or as close as we can get." The White House tried vigorously, but ultimately failed, to compel Gov. Blanco to yield control of the state National Guard.

Also in September, NORTHCOM conducted its highly classified Granite Shadow exercise in Washington. As William Arkin reported in the Washington Post, "Granite Shadow is yet another new Top Secret and compartmented operation related to the military's extra-legal powers regarding weapons of mass destruction. It allows for emergency military operations in the United States without civilian supervision or control."

It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law.
Many critics have alleged that FEMA's spectacular failure to respond to Katrina followed from a deliberate White House policy: of paring back FEMA, and instead strengthening the military for responses to disasters.

A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

Scott is author of "Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). He is completing a book on "The Road to 9/11." Visit his Web site .
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