ufo skeptics - im calling you out!!

So true. For some odd reason, I can't convince some people that sushi can actually be tasty good. I don't yell at them. I just enjoy my sushi.

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why do you care if skeptics believe or don't believe?
let them be skeptics.
how does them being skeptics affect you?
there's nothing that them changing their minds that's going to help the situation.


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reply to post by prevenge

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This is what I was wondering as well. To be honest, I simply don't believe him.
Those who have seen as many UFO's as he claims to have seen usually do not freak out and get angry like a christian defending his religion because someone is challenging it and that would shatter his illusions. If you were one that truly KNOWS, then why would you care what skeptics thought? Why does it matter if they believe or not? The only reason to be angry is if you feel threatened in some way by their not believing and if thats the case it means you are not being honest about having the experiences you claim to have had.

I am a knower. I have seen, I share what I know with those who are interested and want to know what I have seen.. to those that want to argue.. I don't pay any mind to them. It does not matter to me what they think or believe because I KNOW what I have seen with my eyes, I know what my family has seen with their eyes and NO SKEPTIC can take that away from me. Using logic my conclusion is that I personally feel the OP is being dishonest and I stopped respecting them the moment they started throwing personal insults at anyone who didn't believe what they believe.

Again those are the actions of someone who feels threatened.. not someone who is solid in their understanding of what is real.

reply to post by elliotuk90

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You cabnbelieve in whatever you like who cares? Aliens, toothfaires, whatever. If you don't want your beliefs questioned however, it might be wise not to make them public.

What is really needed of course is an open mind on the subject. I'm not convinced at all that aliens have paid us a visit, but I sit here waiting to be suprised...

[edit on 7-1-2009 by timelike]

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Perfectly stated Nephratari! I could not have said it any better!

In fact, I know for certain through U2U's that many of the so called skeptics on this board have actually had an experience of some description and are searching for the truth.

The fact that many of these 'skeptics' are searching suggests that they are open minded and DON'T have a preconceived idea that none of it is true (like debunker's do). That fact that skeptics are trying to separate the wheat from the chaff suggests that they actually care about the subject matter and the truth.

Many people on this board consistently mistake 'skeptics' as debunker's, obviously not understanding that there is a huge difference between the two.

Personally, it's not the reality of UFO's/ET's I'm skeptical about (having had an incredible sighting myself in the early 90's), it's people!

IRM

[edit on 7/1/09 by InfaRedMan]

Very well said my friend.

I choose not to share my experiences on here mostly, because the threads always turn into chaos.
But i too am a supposed debunker/disinfo guy, just for being Skeptical, not A skeptic.... just cautious...

Sad how some act on here though..

Edit for rubbish spelling...

[edit on 7/1/09 by blupblup]

reply to post by elliotuk90

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I haven't met any skeptic who says UFOs/aliens do NOT exist -- they merely find "logical" explanations to some of the more mundane UFO videos and experiences, much like how I'd think your recent "experience" was in your mind.

All skeptics really want is evidence. And no, a shaky-cam video of a bright light in the night sky just doesn't cut it.

But then, if you're so convinced of your beliefs, then why do you care what skeptics think? Do they stop you from believing what you believe?

Or, is your belief so weak that anything to contrary causes you to go off on one and lash out (verbally) at skeptics?

At the end of the day, all skeptics want is some form of proof, evidence -- something that stands up to scrutiny. That's all.

i am only skeptical about ufos being aliens (visiting the earth) due to a complete lack of factually conclusive proof.
if you have some... hand it over please.
otherwise you are lying.

[edit on 13-1-2009 by optyk phyba]

So let me get this straight. I'm ignorant because i haven't experienced what you have? How does that make sense, how am i or for that matter any other skeptic supposed to believe in aliens as you do without the same experiences? And even if i did have those experiences i still couldn't prove i did to anyone else. All i'd have is a claim without any actual evidence besides my own testimony.

For example, if I go into my front yard and I see a large sauropod (in your case an alien) walking down the middle of my street, I will of course be quite convinced of what I see. I may be even more satisfied when I follow the thing and find that I can touch it, maybe even ride it if I want to. When I gather sense enough to run back for my camcorder, I may not be able to find the beast again, because I don't know which way it went. But that doesn’t matter because I saw it, I heard it, felt it, smelt it and I remember all that clearly with a sober and rational mind. But somehow I'm the only one who ever noticed it, and of course no one believes me. Some other guy says he saw a dinosaur (alien) too, but his description was completely different, such that we can’t both be talking about the same thing. So it doesn't matter how convinced I am that it really happened. It might not have.

When days go by and there are still no tracks, no excrement, no destruction, no sign of the beast at all, no other witnesses who’s testimony lends credence to mine, and no explanation for how a 20-meter long dinosaur could just disappear in the suburbs of a major metropolis, much less how it could have appeared there in the first place, then it becomes much easier to explain how there could be only two witnesses who can’t agree on what they think they saw, than it is to explain all the impossibilities against that dinosaur (alien) ever really being there.

Positive claims require positive evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that’s what I’d need since what I propose isn’t just extraordinary its impossible. But since there's not one fact I can show that anyone can measure or otherwise confirm, then my perspective is still subjective and thus uncertain. Eventually, even I would have to admit that although I did see it, I still don’t know if it was ever really there – regardless whether I still believe that it was.

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reply to post by NephraTari

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Great post as most of yours are

Yes, we should really split it as Knowers, Believers, and Non-Believers...

Perhaps what the OP was getting at (if he honestly isnt just trolling) is that there is a 4th category below the non-believers...the people that even if they saw it themselves, they would choose to seek out and accept other reasons.

These superskeptics...I dont know what their real deal is, but its kind of like they are pissed off that of all the ET activity going on around the earth, that none of it has come their way. So its like they are relegated on the other side of an imaginary boundary line and stuck there with the other people who have not had the wonderful firsthand experience with ETs; this is a place they do not want to be. This can only fuel the anger as they turn to believing that none of it can exist and never will exist; thus their mind is closed forever.

The Skeptics have had all their work done for them already.

Examining the sum total of evidence collected in over 60 years of intense searching - we have nothing substantial and a lot of embarrassingly fraudulent junk artifacts.

The petty financial opportunism, desperate attention seeking, tragically delusional and and often deranged behaviour of those reporting and explaining visits of extra-terrestials have given us a pretty clear picture of the phenomenion.


Mike F