you've changed your tune havent you

RELAX man/woman (not sure).. the ignoramus as you call them, they pound on the keys, but that doesnt mean they are influencing anybody. in my experience here 95% of the members already have their minds made up.

we have other contactee members as well who havent really been so abrasive. may want to tone it down a bit. just a friendly suggestion.

if you could, id like to see some drawings from your contact experience. just snipits of memory would be nice.
its up to you, peace. and thanks for sharing the battle of LA thats a favorite for many people here.

Happy New Year, weneedtoknow.

How any skeptic-baiting threads are you going to start today? How long before you wish all the skeptics dead and get banned again?

Why do you keep posting these topics when you haven't listened to us yet? Nowhere have we said UFOs don't exist, in fact that would be against the precepts of skepticism to do so. However, there is no proof that these are alien crafts. There are plenty of possibilities that are just as likely if not more as to what these can be. Furthermore, you seem to diminish the capabilities of humanity. We didn't just move from the stone age to the nuclear age just like that. One can very clearly trace the course of technology up to what we have today. Finally, your video just shows a photograph with effects added over it so it looks like shots are being fired. Channels like the History Channel do it all the time. To my knowledge there was only one photo taken of The Battle of LA, the one in the video.

Originally posted by elliotuk90

I regularly see flying discs, orbs and lights which are NOT PLANES, NOT HELICOPTERS AND NOT SWAMP GAS! For me i see them so frequently its not even a big deal anymore.

So why don't you take some photos and show them to us?

Originally posted by ziggystar60

Originally posted by elliotuk90

I regularly see flying discs, orbs and lights which are NOT PLANES, NOT HELICOPTERS AND NOT SWAMP GAS! For me i see them so frequently its not even a big deal anymore.

So why don't you take some photos and show them to us?

He knows, I know, you don't. So who cares what you see or think? We don't need validation from you or anyone else...capiche!

# em. When the UFO tnusami comes they wont know wtf is going on and wont be able to pull their heads out of their asses fast enough. Life is ever changing all the time. What we consider the most complex knowledge will be a fraction of the knowledge humans posses in the future. The ancients had a good understanding of the cosmos, not perfect but dam close to what science is prooving today. If aliens did help humans in the past the knowledge would be a little more accurate. Thats why im skeptical about the idea, but looking at history some civilizations had SOME help with simple knowledge that carved the way for human understanding. Humans didn't always think, or talk for that matter. GRunt, grunt grunt, grunt! Hmmpf.

The truth always gets revealed over time even when highly riddiculed. Some of us already understand there IS intelligent life in the universe. I do not consider humans intelligent. Few people alive today are intelligent. Maybe 500 million of 7 billion people, not enough to call humanity intelligent. Just because you can speak doesn't make you intelligent. Most people are held back with their emotions, the reptilian/instinct part of the brain. Some of those delusionals actually think the bible is creditable.

wait im not done laughing Intelligent design are you KIDDING ME. Human kneecaps, TAIL BONE, wisdom teeth evolution is FAR from perfect.

There are two ways to view the cosmos. The way it is, and the way you want to believe it to be. Science studies and observes the world we live in its not something you believe, evolution just so happens to be the method which ALL forms of life evolve, organic or not. Stars/suns/planets/life all evolved from atoms to form the elements we know. Suns convert hydrogen into helium. 1 proton (hydorgen) 2 protons (heluim). This is how ALL elements evolved. The more protons an atom has the heavier the element. Scientists theorized about evolution far before studies prooved it. Religion has a 1800 year old book written by delusional men to 'proove' its wacked out theory. There is an entire universe inside each one of us, humans are the most complex thing known in the cosmos.

If god is real he can stand the skeptism that science goes through to find the truth. Clearly most people defending their faith fly off the handle and can't truly express themselves because its false. It's kinda hard to study something thats not there. The truth is I DONT KNOW if there is a god, and neither do you. What makes you think you have special mental powers that I don't?

Science is a self correcting mechanism and the best tool mankind has. Science has just begun to unravel the mysteries of the cosmos and theres LOTS to learn. Are you paying attention and learning something or are you contuining the 10,000 year old delusion and living in complete dis-harmony with nature?

Originally posted by TH3ON3
He knows, I know, you don't. So who cares what you see or think? We don't need validation from you or anyone else...capiche!

Then why are you here in the first place? If you know, then why are you so worried about what skeptics think? Skeptics are not stopping you from believing whatever you want.

Can we stop this stupid and unproductive bickering between 'believers' and 'skeptics'?

True believers don't matter and pseudoskeptics don't matter. These people, on either camp, won't change their minds no matter the evidence or lack of. Let's ignore them already.

And let's get back at the real issues.

I've seen a few ufos and they looked like digital holograms.
They even flickered and changed size, like it was low budget!
Can satellites project images? I think so.

Originally posted by converge
Can we stop this stupid and unproductive bickering between 'believers' and 'skeptics'?

True believers don't matter and pseudoskeptics don't matter. These people, on either camp, won't change their minds no matter the evidence or lack of. Let's ignore them already.

And let's get back at the real issues.

theres no such thing as believing in ufos. UFOs exist. end of this particular discussion, onto the next.

Originally posted by Hank Scorpio
theres no such thing as believing in ufos. UFOs exist. end of this particular discussion, onto the next.

And where did I claim otherwise? If you would read some of my posts you would find that I contest the exact same thing you are saying, that UFOs are not a matter of belief.

When I say true believers I'm referring to those who believe the explanation is aliens, cryptoterrestrials, inter-dimensional beings, or simply man made black projects without any supporting evidence.

Originally posted by converge

Originally posted by Hank Scorpio
theres no such thing as believing in ufos. UFOs exist. end of this particular discussion, onto the next.

And where did I claim otherwise? If you would read some of my posts you would find that I contest the exact same thing you are saying, that UFOs are not a matter of belief.

When I say true believers I'm referring to those who believe the explanation is aliens, cryptoterrestrials, inter-dimensional beings, or simply man made black projects without any supporting evidence.

it will take more than 1 person making 1 reply to get people to understand that.

i didnt mean to quote your reply lol.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by TH3ON3
He knows, I know, you don't. So who cares what you see or think? We don't need validation from you or anyone else...capiche!

Then why are you here in the first place? If you know, then why are you so worried about what skeptics think? Skeptics are not stopping you from believing whatever you want.

I was merely pointing out the fact that I and the OP have no need to show anyone anything.

We know they exist, and they seem to be intelligently controlled, and some are possibly even living entities themselves.
A biological living machine capable of breaking the known laws of physics. I wonder who could design such a living machine....God?...Yes!

And just who is God and where did He come from? And why create the most advanced living thinking biological computer ever designed (you & I) and then leave us to try and find out all these scientific answers for ourselves. Fascinating stuff to ponder while perusing ATS.

Then again, you & I just may be well loved pets living in a glass dome. That is if you can think on such a minuscule scale while looking through your Hubble telescope.

You know, the most awesome science fiction story ever is based on a true story....that story...real life.

But I'm here mainly for the other news that never seems to hit the mainstream, you know like 9ft Bigfoot found in freezer...