Are oil prices and your SECURITY related?


"We are sending $700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much and some of that money ends up in the hands of terrorist organizations. I will end this dependence on foreign oil,"

We have heard that from presidential candidates, texas oil man, natural gas experts, and many others.

Now I’m not an economist, so I am not sure if the numbers are perfect , stated above or mine stated below, hopefully some subsequent posters can give more insight…

With that said I will like to initiate a theory…initiate is the right word…and would welcome others to contribute…with the hope of finding some answers…to make us safer, and more in charge of our destiny…’our’ being the civilized countries/world.
First I’m going to make some assertions, and second I’m going to ask some questions. So here goes…

Take 2008 – Multiply $4.25 a gallon times every car’s typical use a month, times 12 months…and that equals….here’s where I need the help…say, I dunno, 1 Trillion? For lack of a better number…and at least its round for my next point…

Now take 1.75 a gallon and do the same math…

The DELTA….difference is….$590 billion…?...right?
(Caveat: Again…maybe the amounts are wrong but the delta ‘available’ is the same percentage…)

= = = = = = = =

1) Would the world have gone through the financial crisis if that 59 billion was available throughout the year?

2) Would the US as well?

3) Election difference?

4) Did those countries that charged/supplied oil/gas at 4.25 drop it to 1.75?

5) Were those that own/sell oil (who don’t favor the US) concerned that more T. Boone Pickens would come on the scene and innovate us? And drive the demand down? And their profits?


6) Where we hosed on the way ‘up’ with gas prices?

7) Where we hosed on the way ‘down’ of prices too?


8) Are we being manipulated?

9) Who’s doing it?


10) Why?

11) Have you heard less about alternatives in the last two months? Isn’t that what our enemies want?

Oh well, that my shot at it…

Thoughts ATS’ers?

[edit on 7-1-2009 by OldThinker]

As long as we are breathing we are getting hosed by someone. I think that ‘TPTB’ that control the oil realized just how tired we are of being help captive to their product and decisions. You are correct in that I really haven’t heard that much on alternative sources lately. With a nations that is trillions of dollars in debt I really don’t think a few billion would of helped. These are only my opinions though.

Was is the TPTB?


Thanks for agreeing about the reduction in alternative discussions?


590 Billion is a big chunk of "change"


Oh well...appreciate the thoughts there!!!

OT

The Powers That Be - our emporers/kings basically , the "Man"

on topic : yes i do think the prices of gas going down is a direct result of the economic crash, in many ways

also its about economic balance, the situation gets out of balance so forces come into play and rebalance it

the reason its 1.75$ right now IMO is because we are dirt poor and at the same time the PTB dont want the entire global economy totally collapsing overnight

590 billion is a alot, but compared to the GDP , its only a fraction
en.wikipedia.org...(nominal)

US GDP = 13.8 trillion $

so 590 billion is roughly 1/28th of the overall "pie"

that does have a direct effect on the economy tho

fyi...

I added this question to the OP...

Are oil prices and your SECURITY related?

Could have been the title really?

So I'll add this question, too, for those that want to ponder and post...

Thanks

OT

I agree that it is a large amount of coinage, but if you compare it to trillions already in debt, and the fact that we go trillions more in debt each year. 590 billion is just a drop in the bucket.

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Thank you for the thoughts and links...

It makes me think of DEMAND...anyone know what the demand curve was over 2008?

Any graphics/trend chart out there?


That certainly would help the discussion...

Help anyone?

OT

Great input muzzleflash!

OK...also remember my 1 trillion figure and the 410 billion bookends were really guesses on my part...

Although I think the delta is close...

It may be more...

I'll keep watching the responses...

Again thank you for the input!

Others? Thoughts? Any economic grads out there?

A co-worker just mentioned to me that he thought 'World DEMAND' actually went up in 2008 because of China's auto/economic advancement?

Is this is true....? Then DEMAND was at least not the primary catalyst...right?

If not, what was??????

Our enemies fear of American innovation? I dunno?

www.eia.doe.gov...

This is from the Energy Information Administration and it say that that short term outlook for global demand will actualy continue to decline.

OK, I'll look it over later tonight...great!!

As a quicky blurb from the link...



Am I reading this right...we are only down 130K from 4.9 million barrels? That's far less than 'significant' statistically...oh well, I'll did deeper later!

OT

This is a graph showing world oil production growth focast.



[edit on 7-1-2009 by Ant4AU]

Guys, Just got back...


Any thoughts from the night shift? Its night, at least where I am...

OT

Thanks, sweet feature...


How'd you do that?

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It appears this is a 2007 December PROJECTION of 08 and 09...is this a prediction? Is it older?

OT

ps: Ant4AU, I'm surprized this topic has not gotten more attention? Maybe, it was the time of day I wrote it? Well, time will tell here shortly....

all you have to do is put and it puts the image in the post. Take out the underscores.

But by the chart I believe it is showing what it was in 07 08 and what they are predictinf for the begening of 09. If you go by the chart I believe that prediction was made in December of 08.

From what I read it sounds like the demand is going to be based more on the economy than anything else. It also is talking about all petrol products.

Hopefully the thread picks up.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Ant4AU]

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OK, I'lll try later...

Notice the dotted line in that middle? Thought that said 08 and 09 WAS the 'projection'....I'll look at the site you linked to me earlier...after dinner!

OT

Either way...thanks, something tells me this is a long term learning process....appreciate your partnering!

could be i may just be looking at it wrong and I am awaiting your opinions on the site.

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Take out the underscores and your image should be in the post.

I will open it...and let you know...


I know some connected-folks in the governments Energy group....I'll ask them if this is the OFFICIAL site....


I'll review in an hour or so...

OT

one thing I noticed....it is a dotgov site...

OT

Asking government folks in the energy department for honest answers is like expecting them to magically fix an unfixable problem..which the energy situation is unfixable as long as we keep hooked to the oil drug IV.

Tell your friends in that government energy area that its time to move to the modern era and use hydrogen and other alternatives.

Were sick of being addicted..time to break the habbit.




Cheers!!!!