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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:52 PM by Kailassa

Anti-semitism is a weapon used by Jews to silence criticism.

Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, recognised that anti-Semitism would further his cause. He maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.” According to Herzl, Zionism offered the world a “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated: “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

When there are no examples of anti-semitism to point to, Jews will manufacture them.

Reaction to Fake Anti-Semitic Attack in France Raises Questions About Anti-Muslim Feelings:

archive.japantoday.com...

Around the time of this "attack" there were many other "attacks" on Jews taking place in England which also proved to be fake. These appeared to be connected to Jewish efforts in England at that time to make all criticism of Israel illegal.

Cries of 'anti-Semitism' vanish after suspect identified

French Jews stunned by claims that rabbi faked own stabbing:
Nobody disputes the fact that the wound was light and required no stitches and that there were no witnesses to the attack. According to Marianne magazine, a medical report indicated that the gash in Farhi’s shirt did not match the lesion on his belly.

Californian College Professor Charged with Hate Crime Hoax
Kerri Dunn was a visiting psychology professor at Claremont McKenna College. She was convicted of perpetrating a hoax, in which she defaced her own car by slashing its tires, breaking its windows, and spray painting several ethnic slurs and a partial swastika on its doors and hood.

Doubt Is Cast on Report Of Attack on Downey:

Grant Schwartz in the mid-2000s was charged with several crimes, including possession of less than 25 grams of cocaine. In 2005, he was accused spray painting anti-Semitic graffiti on the the facade of the Five Star office building and blaming it on Lieghio. For that incident, he pleaded no contest to false report of a felony and in September 2005 was placed on three years probation by Judge Peter J. Maceroni.:

It's vital now, with Israel stirring up so much world-wide disgust by bombing children in U.N. schools in Gaza, that the rod of anti-semitism be revitalised and used to beat those who dare tell the truth about Israel.
If it took a Jew in a demonstration to shout something vicious in front of reporters to revitalise that rod, such a thing would quickly be organised.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:17 PM by Exuberant1

"Protester Calls for Jews to 'Go Back to the Oven' at Anti-Israel Demonstration"

Psychological Operations anyone?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:24 PM by Sestias

Being that so many conspiracy theories include plots by Jews to control the world's banking or even take over the whole planet, it's not surprising to find anti-Semitism on ATS. The Israel-Hamas conflict has increased that sentiment, but it is there in those age-old fantasies most of the time.

And yes, there is anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiment here too. It seems to me, though, that each side vilifies the other rather regularly, and it is my (perhaps biased) impression that the target is Israel more than half the time.

On both sides of the conflict are people who have been oppressed and discriminated against in their histories. It is the liberal fashion right now to see the Palestinians as the most oppressed group and to take a stand on their side. Although I'm also on the left, I'm more inclined to take Israel's part, but this thread is not really about taking sides, which has been done ad infinitum recently.

There is a difference between criticizing or even condemning the policies and practices of a nation and actual hate speech. I think most people on here are aware of that difference. We shouldn't have to wait for moderators to intervene, but should try to police ourselves, as I think this thread is attempting to do.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:43 PM by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by centurion1211
Before anyone complains about the Fox news link, I've also provided one from the LA Times. And remember, many here have no problem quoting from iranian media and al-jazeera.

This story just shows that the Jewish (and Israeli) hatred we see over and over here on ATS also exists out in the real world. People can try to spin palestinians, hamas, and other radical muslims (not all muslims) into peace-loving victims all they want, but, 'the truth is out there' for all to see.

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 1/7/2009 by centurion1211]

First off, this is horrible.

Second off, I'm still ticked off at Israel.

You can be upset with Israel and not be an anti-semite.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 02:45 AM by sadchild01

reply to post by centurion1211

answer my question , and don't dodge it??

Originally posted by sadchild01
so wtf is the big deal..... people also call for nuking islam and hindus piss drinkers so??

or are the jews the master race and the rest of us goyim(means cattle) ??

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 05:01 AM by Exuberant1

reply to post by sadchild01

That is an offensive question. It has blatant slanderous implications and amount to nothing more than an ad hominem attack disguised as inquiry - How Clever...

I don't think he'll be answering that particular question. I wouldn't either.

*You don't have to keep re-posting it. You know why.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:39 AM by benevolent tyrant

oooops....... mistakes happen.
Disregard this post please

[edit on 1/8/2009 by benevolent tyrant]

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 07:43 AM by tankthinker

Originally posted by centurion1211

Like many other protests of Israel's campaign in Gaza, this one ended badly — police had to cool an ugly fight between supporters of Israel and Gaza, breaking up the warring sides as their screaming and chanting threatened to turn into something worse.

But some protesters at this rally in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., took their rhetoric a step further, calling for the extermination of Israel — and of Jews.

well it looks like everything is going according to plan the ehhhh...

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:42 AM by Nammu

This site seeks to deny ignorance, but that doesn't mean ignorant people don't post here.

Calls for Jews to 'go back to the oven' is ignorant.

Labelling people an anti-semite because they criticise Israeli policies is ignorant.

Believing you have rights to a piece of land because a probably fictional character in a book written thousands of years ago says so, is also ignorant.

But mostly, blowing up innocent men, women and children or believing that killing any innocent person is justified in any way is the height of all ignorance.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 09:56 AM by Bombeni

Originally posted by Nammu
This site seeks to deny ignorance, but that doesn't mean ignorant people don't post here.

Calls for Jews to 'go back to the oven' is ignorant.

Labelling people an anti-semite because they criticise Israeli policies is ignorant.

Believing you have rights to a piece of land because a probably fictional character in a book written thousands of years ago says so, is also ignorant.

But mostly, blowing up innocent men, women and children or believing that killing any innocent person is justified in any way is the height of all ignorance.

You packaged it beautifully, but in the end you gave your vote for terrorism. What Israel is doing is not terrorism; they are fighting years of terrorism. Palestinians elected terrorists to govern them, they had to know there would be repurcussions.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:18 AM by Nammu

reply to post by Bombeni

Killing innocent people is wrong. That goes for both sides. Justifying the murder of innocent people because of terrorism is still wrong. It can never ever ever be justified.

If every single Palestinian man, woman and child voted for Hamas, then you might have a point. But they didn't. Some people voted against then, and children can't vote.

By your logic, everyone in America should expect repercussions for voting in Bush. I'm sure you'll agree that shouldn't be the case.

Eidt to add: Hamas won on 41% of the constituency vote and 44.5% of the list vote. So most Palestinians actually voted AGAINST Hamas (don't you just love 'democracy'?)

Source

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Nammu]

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:19 AM by Mintwithahole.

All this Israel and Jew bashing has to stop. What ever happened to those rules of decurum and taste that we all agree to when we join ATS? Seems some have thrown them out of the window along with their self respect. . .
Why hasn't a mod stepped in and stopped this blatant racism? When the proverbial sh*t hits the fan it's always the jews fault.

Somewhere in hell a one testicled ex German dictator has a broad smile on his face. . .

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:27 AM by Rook1545

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
All this Israel and Jew bashing has to stop. What ever happened to those rules of decurum and taste that we all agree to when we join ATS? Seems some have thrown them out of the window along with their self respect. . .
Why hasn't a mod stepped in and stopped this blatant racism? When the proverbial sh*t hits the fan it's always the jews fault.

Somewhere in hell a one testicled ex German dictator has a broad smile on his face. . .

Ok, and while we are at it, how about we stop the Arab bashing, the bible thumping, calls for death to all Muslims?

You can't have it both ways. There are many, many more blatant cases of religious discrimination (that is what it is, Jewish is not a race) against Muslims than against Jews. Take off the rose colored glasses and actually use some critical thinking. This was one case of someone yelling that. How many times have we seen in the past people crying crap like this against Muslims, or disrespecting their beliefs? If you can give it, then you had better be prepared to take it.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:33 AM by Mintwithahole.

Originally posted by Rook1545

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
All this Israel and Jew bashing has to stop. What ever happened to those rules of decurum and taste that we all agree to when we join ATS? Seems some have thrown them out of the window along with their self respect. . .
Why hasn't a mod stepped in and stopped this blatant racism? When the proverbial sh*t hits the fan it's always the jews fault.

Somewhere in hell a one testicled ex German dictator has a broad smile on his face. . .

Ok, and while we are at it, how about we stop the Arab bashing, the bible thumping, calls for death to all Muslims?

You can't have it both ways. There are many, many more blatant cases of religious discrimination (that is what it is, Jewish is not a race) against Muslims than against Jews. Take off the rose colored glasses and actually use some critical thinking. This was one case of someone yelling that. How many times have we seen in the past people crying crap like this against Muslims, or disrespecting their beliefs? If you can give it, then you had better be prepared to take it.

Absolutely, I'm with you one hundred percent. Live and let live is my motto, I just wish others would do the same and treat others how they would like to be treated. It just seems the jews get the brunt of it and thats not right.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:39 AM by Obliterated

Palestinian people get called terrorists, for no reason. Just because they want to exist and defend their country which has been occupied by people who were shipped over from Europe.

These people aren't responsible for the holocaust yet they are the ones who have been persecuted for it. Whose homes have been taken, whose families have been killed. And they are the ones who are called terrorists.

You expect sympathy for words against you.
Yet Palestinians dont even get sympathy for the murder of their children.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:40 AM by Bombeni

Originally posted by Nammu
reply to post by Bombeni

Killing innocent people is wrong. That goes for both sides. Justifying the murder of innocent people because of terrorism is still wrong. It can never ever ever be justified.

If every single Palestinian man, woman and child voted for Hamas, then you might have a point. But they didn't. Some people voted against then, and children can't vote.

By your logic, everyone in America should expect repercussions for voting in Bush. I'm sure you'll agree that shouldn't be the case.

Eidt to add: Hamas won on 41% of the constituency vote and 44.5% of the list vote. So most Palestinians actually voted AGAINST Hamas (don't you just love 'democracy'?)

Source

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Nammu]

True, it was a huge step voting out the old order, and bringing in Hamas. But don't kid yourself the Palestinians have shown great support for Hamas. Maybe it's a trade-off for the millions of dollars Hamas hands to the Palestinians, but either way if Palestinians are unhappy with the new govt. they elected, they haven't shown it. I haven't seen any protests going on in Gaza, to oust Hamas. They did have a gigantic celebration recently celebrating Hamas, with hundreds of thousands of people in the streets joining in. They also used that opportunity to chant "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" --- yep Palestinians are just fine with the way things were going, suicide bombings of Israelis, contstant missile launching. They haven't had a problem with that.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 10:54 AM by Obliterated

Originally posted by Nammu
reply to post by Bombeni

Eidt to add: Hamas won on 41% of the constituency vote and 44.5% of the list vote. So most Palestinians actually voted AGAINST Hamas (don't you just love 'democracy'?)

Source

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Nammu]

You left out this bit.... "This was on just under 41% of the constituency vote to 35.7% for Fatah. With the 29 list seats,based on 44.5% of the list vote, this produced an overall majority for Hamas on a minority vote."

I do love democracy! and i also appreciate the truth.

The figures unaccounted for, were votes to other parties.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 11:02 AM by Nammu

reply to post by Bombeni

The only sources I can find that say 'hundreds of thousands' were at that march were Israeli sources. Some of them are saying 200,000 and some are saying 300,000. All the other sources are saying 'tens of thousands'. So it seems the Israeli sources are exagerating things. Still a lot of people, but not as much as made out by the Israeli media. Even the grossly exagerated 200,000 figure is only 13% of the population.

I'm not saying they don't have support. But still, I stand by my point that killing of innocents cannot be justified by any means. And blanketing the whole of the Palestinian people as supporters of missile lanches and terrorism as justification of killing innocent people is, again, ignorant.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 11:09 AM by Bombeni

Originally posted by Obliterated
Palestinian people get called terrorists, for no reason. Just because they want to exist and defend their country which has been occupied by people who were shipped over from Europe.

These people aren't responsible for the holocaust yet they are the ones who have been persecuted for it. Whose homes have been taken, whose families have been killed. And they are the ones who are called terrorists.

You expect sympathy for words against you.
Yet Palestinians dont even get sympathy for the murder of their children.

Who called Palestinians terrorists? The fact is Palestinians elected self-proclaimed terrorists to govern them.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 11:14 AM by Bombeni

reply to post by Nammu

I know what you are saying, the killing of innocents is horrible. But that is just the way of the world, always has been from the beginning of time. If some country continues to strap bombs on people and send them into bus stops and launch missiles day and night, the other country will retaliate. IMO Israel has held back a lot more than most countries would. But I see your point. I live in the US and have lived in safety my whole life. I can't imagine living under constsnt threat.