New safety rules for children's clothes have stores in a fit, page 8

reply to post by SeenAndNeverHeard

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Like they want em!

Sorry I cant buy into that one.

reply to post by Cairowoman

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The cost of prevention is a lot cheaper than treating the result. I worked for a short time at a daycare and several of those kids had obvious signs of non-alcohol related damage, lead is still being found in playgrounds and schools around here fairly often. Once the damage is done, nothing you can do to fix it and you will have a real mess on your hands, those kids are very hard to deal with and have a lot of discipline issues.

The ultimate power here is the shopper, refuse to buy any products made in China or containing chemical derivatives from there. Once trade comes to a halt, something will get done in the proper direction. Ironically, they are really boosting Walmart since it is the only major American chain which gives preference to stocking American-made goods, if crappy ones. The Christmas tree may look stupid next year with tacky plastic stars, plaid (huh!) bulbs and fake tinsel but at least my dog won't get brain damage!

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

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When the government banned leaded gas was that a good thing Prof?? When the government added traffic lights to dangerous intersections was that a good thing?

Actually, if the government had NOT allowed leaded gas in the first place, they WOULD have gotten it right.
Second, the US government doesn't "add traffic lights to dangerous intersections". That is the responsibility of LOCAL government.

reply to post by SeenAndNeverHeard

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"most kids who go into the "system" never come out right."

That's just a Conspiratorialistic Theorum...

reply to post by Exuberant1

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lol, I loved the picture.



Aside from that, back to the clothing issue.

I suppose for the short term, stores in the states won't have to lose everything invested in the clothes by sending them to the dump. They can also ship them out of the country for sale elsewhere... at a severely marked down price of course.

You retain 'some' of the clothes value, while others get a surge of inexpensive clothing for their kids.


After that... well... the testing issue is for you to sort out.

I personally think it's pretty ridiculous.
What they're testing for is typically found in paint and plastic... not cotton or other fabrics. If they want to test paint and plastic, fine... but checking cotton articles of clothing for these things is pretty brainless.

After reading all of the replies, I did not see this link, but it looks as if they are "reconsidering" the way that the law reads and are opening up the situation for comment before the February 10th 2009 deadline.

www.latimes.com...

Mind you I have 5 children and although I normally buy new and buy on sale months in advance, I found a wonderful consignment "show" that we have here locally three times a year. I was going to put items that I have myself in it this April due to the over abundance of clothing that is still new with tags that my daughter never got to wear because she grew so fast!

I'm a naturalist. We don't do fluoride, aspartame, etc. So I understand both sides of the coin and being outraged when tainted items came to light within this last year and wanted them to stop importing this CCC (Cheap Chinese CRAP) without more stringent rules.

BUT there has to be a more concise and less detrimental way to implement this law without causing so much harm to consignment businesses or sending the Gestapo out to search for underground garage sales going on.

I resell used children's boutique clothing on Ebay and have been following this story for several weeks now. I will be forced to stop selling, unless I plan to do so illegally. This law has people in an uproar because it requires third party lab testing and certification of anything intended for use by a child under the age of 12. The cost of the certification is on the retailer. This includes hand-sewn smocked clothing made in the US, books, hand-carved toys sold at craft shows, video games, baby quilts made by Amish women, bicycles, sheets, and hundreds of thousands of children's consignment shops, thrift shops, and small children's boutiques that have inventory already purchased on their shelves.
They will probably have to close up shop (except for the thrift shops) because it cost between $100 and $500 an hour to hire someone for the work. During that hour, they can scan between 10 and 20 items. Each item has to be scanned individually. Gap, Gymboree, and Sears will be fine, it is the small sellers that will have to close shop. There is also not enough testing facilities for the companies that do have the funds to test their products.
It's not the inconvenience, or the fact that anyone is choosing money over lead paint. Most of the items that are scanned, are lead free, but, if they are not scannedand certified, they can not be sold.
The other problem is the green aspect. Small children need an entire new wardrobe every 6 months, because they have outgrown what fit last year. If a mother buys a shirt from Gymboree and never has a chance to put it on her daughter, she sells it with the tag still on it to a consignment shop, who sells it to another mother, whose child wears it 4 times, she then donates it to a thrift shop, who in turn sells it to me, I let my daughter wear it 2 times and sell it on Ebay. The mother that buys it, then passes it on to her niece. That is good for capitalism and conserving the enviorment at the same time!!
Anyway here is a link to some sources of info for people who are interested. forums.ebay.com...

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by Question

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Well that's one way to inflict great fear. You should become a senator.

LOL! they'd never want me, I'd be shot on the spot due to how I feel about our govt. and they'd be terrified that if elected, I went after every single one of them (which I would)

reply to post by Cairowoman

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Interesting our government lax regulations when it comes to imports and cheap goods from china something that Americans seems to love a lot is now putting the burden of testing on the retailers in the US and on tax payer pockets rather that stop the poisoned goods that comes from china with this crap from reaching the stores.

How convenient.

Maybe instead of complaining people should start buying made in the US.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Cairowoman

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Interesting our government lax regulations when it comes to imports and cheap goods from china something that Americans seems to love a lot is now putting the burden of testing on the retailers in the US and on tax payer pockets rather that stop the poisoned goods that comes from china with this crap from reaching the stores.

How convenient.

Maybe instead of complaining people should start buying made in the US.

I would like to buy made in the USA. However, the companies that manufacture things moved to China and Mexico. Consumers don't have much of a choice anymore. And now people will be penalized for making their own as well. The Amish will no longer be able to sell quilts, etc for example.

I have heard some disturbing news today regarding
children's (under 12 years old) clothing. Knowing you love to buy clothes
at resale shops as much as I do.., I have to share this.

Effective February 10, 2009, it will be illegal to purchase or sell second
hand clothing for children if the articles do not contain the Lead Free
logo inserted by the government. Um..., yeah, the government. Catch - of
course this label will not be required until Feb 2009, therefore all
clothing manufactured prior to this time will be classified as illegal.
1st time offense is $8,000!!!! 2nd time offense is $100,000!!!!

What will be considered illegal after Feb. 2009:
Purchase consignment clothing and children's items without the lead free
sticker/tag (by the way, as of right now, there are no lead free
stickers on these items)
Sell clothing/children's items on-line, at flea markets or garage sales
Craft fairs which sell hand made children's booties, clothing, bibs,
hair scrunches etc.

You can hear more about this on 100.1 fm, WAKC TV news reports today, the
Plain Dealer, LA times etc. Below is a link to several reports - copy &
paste in web browser.

news.google.com... cd=1


Go here to submit your opinion to your US Senators & House Representatives:

capwiz.com...

ummmmmm......the real story is -

The new safety law does not require resellers to test children’s products in inventory for compliance with the lead limit before they are sold. However, resellers cannot sell children’s products that exceed the lead limit and therefore should avoid products that are likely to have lead content, unless they have testing or other information to indicate the products being sold have less than the new limit. Those resellers that do sell products in violation of the new limits could face civil and/or criminal penalties.

from - www.cpsc.gov...

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