New safety rules for children's clothes have stores in a fit

This is exactly the vibe i got. Furthermore i thought we were all expected to fight the big global warming monster! What's better for the environment? Tossing out tons of used clothes or wearing them again?

Not to mention kid's clothes these days are somewhat scary. It's like they are trying to dress little girl's up like hoochies from the womb.

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I have a daughter and I agree. It takes some doing finding tastful clothing even for a six year old.

Uh, no. They had been in centralized planning for 80 years before they collapsed. It was because of Star Wars.

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I am serious, like I said, the law as it stands needs tweeked, but overall, its a good law, there shouldn't be any poisons in products produced period.

As I said though, the responsibility is for the manufacturers to prove that there products are safe.

Yes second hand shops will have to trash alot of potentially unsafe products, this isn't going to force them to go out of business though, this is going to force them to provide safe products. Additionally, thats what insurance is for, The lose of merchandise would be a insurance issue in my opinion.

You say they are going to loose money doing this, and go out of business, no if forces them to throw crap away thats been around forever. It forces them to start only accepting new stuff. 1 month after the law passes people will still be donating there items to these shops, those items would need to be checked to see when they were manufactuered, if it was before this law, then the ship it oversees, if its after the law, then the products would have already been tested by the original manufacters or retailers, and therefore are considered safe.

Thats my take on it anyway. YOu say its forcing people to buy retail, no only in the short term. In the long term the products don't need to be retested, only tested originally. Therefore, there is still a market for these products, and the market will continue to grow and thrive, just as all these items that can no longer be sold will continue to be collected, instead of them being sold in the U.S., they'll sell them outside of the U.S., or just donate them overseas.

My take anyway. Again, as I said, As the Law stands, it needs tweeked, with tweeks, it is certainly beneficial to us.

Cheers,

Camain

You're all in a huff over this? When they replaced lead paint with latex why weren't you outraged then?? Lead happens to be poisonous to humans and is most dangerous to children who love to put everything in their mouths. Most all of our goods come from China, Korea, etc. and these countries use lots of dangerous or poisonous stuff. Your making it sound like lead in our clothing is a good thing?

So, now someone actually does something and we worry about the bottom line. This sort of thinking has caused the US production base to spread over the globe and be beyond the reach of US rules. Your need for cheap crud from China and the like is one portion of the reason we are deepening into a depression.

To some the best thinking supports the profit motive over the safety of our own flesh and blood. What deplorable conduct. History will judge us harshly.

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Well, this lead issue shouldn't even be occuring in this century, so I'm afraid it has to be done. But, the cost should be shared, since its the cartel and big businesses that winked at all of this all these years, and occurring right now, its just going to be a further land grab, this time businesses will fold. They want everything in the hands of the cartel.

So, its up to people to ensure its done in a less punitive way. You know the very people who should be protesting and patrolling their democracies. Its always been in our hands.

This stuff should be tested BEFORE it ever enters our country and once in country, tested again before sold to us! Or better yet - maybe our government should say: No more business with China!

Grrr. Im still POd about this.

As a mother of 3 kids.....WOOO HOOO Im jumping up and down for this. I am 110% for it!!! Its about darn time!

I honestly disgusted that people would be upset with this because it would be inconvnient for a while. These are our kids for crying out loud. I am more than willing to spend a couple extra bucks so my kids can be more safe.

With how many of our products are "poisoned", how in the world have any of us survived up til now?

I don't think I understand the purpose of doing this...and I have a niece and nephew who wear used clothes often. Everyone seems to be okay...

I will try to ask my mom about this. She works in the Children's wear department at JC Penny's corporate headquarters. Part of her responsibility is to test production samples for stability and toxicity. Hopefully she can provide some first-hand insight into how this is going to go down.

By the way I think lead poisoning risks are way overblown in most cases.

When I was a kid... get this... I used to help my dad melt down lead chunks to make miniature soldiers.

That's right, I wasn't just eating paint chips, I was playing with the moulten stuff!

Lead is poisonous but you really have to get a lot of exposure over a long time before it starts to take effect or ingest significant amounts.

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That is great that you - and I - can afford to do that for our kids. However, many charities rely on donations for those families who can not afford to clothe their kids. What are those families going to do now?

Inconvenient? Are you flippn kidding me? I want you to go say that to the very poor family at the local charity who is getting warm clothing for their kids this winter: "Sorry, no clothing for you - sorry for your inconvenience". Grrr! I am disgusted at people who cant see beyond their own lives to realize not everyone is as "blessed" as you (in general).

And what about all those stay at home moms who make clothing for babies/kids and sell it and rely on that income for their family?

Kids have been wearing 2nd hand clothing since I was a child (I'm in my 30s) and never have had issues. It doesn't seem to be that wide spread of a problem that children are dying/being contaminated with used clothing. If it was a wide spread epidemic, I could see the problem. But it is not!

Maybe they should make all charities and 2nd hand shops put a disclaimer out - you buy at your own risk - we are not responsible for anything after you receive the clothing!!! That way, people can be responsible for their OWN lives. Since it is the government who has seriously dropped the ball on this one....NOT the consumer!!

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"....WOOO HOOO Im jumping up and down for this. I am 110% for it!!! Its about darn time! "



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You got it, I was just thinking back to a thread I wrote. And it laided out many things to due with poison.
Fox news themselfs said and I quote.

Lead or other baddies.

This is another classic case of set um up to knock um down.

This is going to force the price of clothes up, and force people to do their shopping at places like Walmart that we can afford.
(Don't quote me on that, as its purely IMO.)

This was one of the videos I had posted before.. Now it will come into play here too.. Watch closely on what is said on fox news.. And you can decide for yourself whats going on here..

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Maybe they should make all charities and 2nd hand shops put a disclaimer out - you buy at your own risk - we are not responsible for anything after you receive the clothing!!! That way, people can be responsible for their OWN lives. Since it is the government who has seriously dropped the ball on this one....NOT the consumer!!
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Thats exactly what I was thinking. This law needs to be in place, because we need to have the safe products in the U.S. Its just that this law needs tweeked, say a 5yr moritorium on all second hand resellers.

What would happen would be that all the products coming into the u.s. gets tested, and all products after feb get tested, and as we process through the old stuff, in year 5, the second hand shops could then process through all there inventory, and remove anything older then feb 2008. This would cut down the loss, and still provide the intent if the law, which is to stop lead based products and poisonous products from being sold to our children.

As I said before, its a good law, it just needs tweeked, and within the next year thats what will happen.

Cheers,

Camain

Stop complaing peeps this is a good thing that family of chemicals have been linked to a host of problems later in life. Its not a bad thing reducing toxic effects from clothes it hold have been done a long time ago!

I just wanted to give a little update

I just called my local "Kid to Kid" a national cosignment shop chain that I donate to.

They told me that this chain and many others are putting a group together to try and fight this law and/or modify it. So hopefully their voice will be heard and the charities and 2nd hand shops will remain in "business"!

Their lust for money is so great they do not care if kids go retarded from the poison.

Caveman wore the same animal skin his whole life. Think about it for just a minute.

Its extremely wasteful to think you need new cloths every 5minutes.

Maybe if people made cloths outta cotton or wool (like in the old days) we wouldnt have this problem.

Lesson here :: Dont make cloths outta toxic chemicals and then cry when you lose your job.

And look at the kids in Africa, Proof you can exist naked lol.

Naked > Poisoned

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Almost all of clothing in America is imported.

They are phasing out regular lightbulbs, so the mercury ones will be about all one can buy.

I've read through this with interest and one thing springs to mind is the comparison of DuPont's lobbying against Hemp as a commercial fibre to promote their own synthetic-fibre business-corp interests.

The 'toxins in clothes' is merely the propoganda campaign to scare the unquestioning. I'll bet that there has been intensive lobbying to senators behind closed doors by clothing manufacturing corps in the light of the economic downturn to impose indirect economic sanctions on cheaper imports of clothing.

Modern society requires we wear clothes otherwise we get arrested However i think you point is self evident. Many people throw out good clothes each year because they're out of fashion. I can tell you now i'm sitting here in faded jeans that are 3 years old, stitched in several places and they're very comfy. I will never understand how people waste so much.