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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:12 PM by SLAYER69

reply to post by NLDelta9

You know I've heard that before and if they are really that advanced.

A. They already know we are here.
B. They would have squashed us a long time ago.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:18 PM by Bob Down Under

Also if we picked up a signal from a distance galaxy via radio waves then by the time they would recieve a reply from us, say may be a thousand years on and by that time we would have advanced in those years and this form of communication would be like a steam engine compared to an anti gravity drive.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:19 PM by Terric

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That's interesting! Certainly possible, however one aspect that seems to be over-looked commonly are intellectual predators - which in my opinion are far more dangerous than physical predators.

Look at how the sheeple are being treated on a day-to-day basis by intellectual, human, predators. An alien invasion would not necessarily be physical - it may not even come from the physical REALM itself...

They say we as a species have no natural predators - I have always believed WE are our own predators. Most non-human species only take enough to exist, humans, not ALL of them, are the only species that show such a high level of greed, arrogance, ignorance and neglect for everything that doesn't benefit them.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:21 PM by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
Also if we picked up a signal from a distance galaxy via radio waves then by the time they would recieve a reply from us, say may be a thousand years on and by that time we would have advanced in those years and this form of communication would be like a steam engine compared to an anti gravity drive.

Exactly or by the time we would reply to said message they could have blown their planet up, do to some kind of problem in the middle east of their world!

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:27 PM by Terric

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Again, I'm probably biting off more than I can chew in the thought pie but...

Speed is relative to atmospheric constraints, such as gravity. Who is to say that these type of speed constraints exist outside of our atmosphere? Cosmic glue, dark matter, is apparently this constraint and we don't even fully understand how this, if it even exists, works.

I know that we have measured the speed of light and so on - but this measurement is based upon our perception within our operating environment. Take into consideration refraction etc of light within our atmosphere, that could be like signal attenuation with electronic signals, who is to say that light / any other "method" has a constant velocity outside of our atmosphere?

I've always believed science to be the best possible explanation of something currently available - not necessarily the correct answer.

EDIT - just a quick addition, everything within our universe as we perceive it may not necessarily exist as perceived. For example, we have a horizon, a ground and a sky because our eyes have a curve. Two eyes together perceive depth of field - could this actually exists outside of our "naked eye" visible realm?

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:28 PM by SLAYER69

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It is in human nature to try and control his surrounding environment, What is a danger is removed, face it if you were lost in the jungle and a hungry Tiger was stalking you, You would have one chance and only one chance for survival and most likely you would lose.

Unless you imagined ahead of time about that possibility and done something to remove that danger before it could ever happen.

That ability to imagine is what separates us above all else from all other forms of life on Earth.

We can imagine so we use that and try to figure out how they might find the simplest way to communicate with us.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:33 PM by Terric

reply to post by SLAYER69

I agree - physically I would certainly lose, no argument. Intellectually however I would win. If it weren't for our intelligence we'd be an extinct / drastically reduced population already. Intelligence is the only thing that gives us the advantage over the meaner natural predators.

The ability to design, plan and execute is our survival tool - I wonder where this came from? I haven't come across any other species, yet, that has this ability like we do.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:34 PM by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Terric

Speed is relative to atmospheric constraints, such as gravity. Who is to say that these type of speed constraints exist outside of our atmosphere? Cosmic glue, dark matter, is apparently this constraint and we don't even fully understand how this, if it even exists, works.

I'm working on a new thread which might answer some of those questions
I'm fooling around with the Idea that is borrowed from Quantum physics
Worm holes and the like To travel great distances and micro wormholes for messages aye?
Even Steven Hawkins now admits that it is possible to travel faster than light speed.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:37 PM by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Terric

The ability to design, plan and execute is our survival tool - I wonder where this came from? I haven't come across any other species, yet, that has this ability like we do.

Tool making.

Some of the great apes are tool makers and users, and this has been found out to be a learned trait from parent to offspring Chimps are some of the best at it.

Now the question becomes have they always done this?
Or are the evolving slowly?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:42 PM by Terric

reply to post by SLAYER69

Wow - I'll keep an eye out for that thread! If I can be of any help let me know as I've also done some extensive research into this field.

One problem I've found with certain sources of information is that they are often blown out of proportion, the MSM call it Hyperbole and get away with it, in an attempt to procure funding to continue the research.

Unfortunately in a world that thrives on profit rather than knowledge and advancement a lot of hot headed politics come into the fold when results aren't being achieved at a constant rate. This is what "they" don't seem to have the ability to understand! This field of knowledge requires A LOT of work and ground breaking findings don't come often, but when they do they deliver far more advantages than any materialistic achievement does!

Quality over quantity I say!

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:44 PM by Terric

reply to post by SLAYER69

Haha, I was waiting for that, nice one!

I always think of the start of 2001: A space odyssey where the apes find the monolith and discover weapons for the first time. A fantastic scene showing an ape smashing a skeleton to pieces with that AMAZING musical score! Click here to view the clip!

Darwin's theory certainly holds some weight but what is that extra "something" that we have? It exists, if it didn't then we'd still be apes surely?

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:45 PM by Allred5923

reply to post by SLAYER69

As for the Horizon thinking, or Horizons in the Universe
The horizon divides all events in the spacetime
diagram into two regions.
Two horizons
– Particle horizon!(“world-line horizon”)
Divides the events into “visible” and “invisible” ones from
one particular observer’s point of view at a given moment.
The particle horizon exists when there is the beginning.
– Space-time diagram is useful for understanding this.
The particle horizon grows over time.
As for horizon velocity, it applies c/t instead of the regularly assumed c/H as a s accepted math for it's errant disclosure of the distances.
The particle horizon is not given by ct.
The particle horizon = 3ct during the matter era.
The particle horizon = 2ct during the radiation era.
The age of the present universe is 13.7 billion years. How many light-years would the particle horizon size be?

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:45 PM by SLAYER69

To follow up tool making is the foundation of all that you had mentioned because with it we can plan and execute in my opinion.

Without tools we are dead. You can plan the way a house is to be built, you can imagine the steps involved and then try to execute all of that without tools.

tool making has been the genesis of man.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:49 PM by Bob Down Under

Originally posted by Terric
reply to post by SLAYER69

Again, I'm probably biting off more than I can chew in the thought pie but...

Speed is relative to atmospheric constraints, such as gravity. Who is to say that these type of speed constraints exist outside of our atmosphere? Cosmic glue, dark matter, is apparently this constraint and we don't even fully understand how this, if it even exists, works.

I know that we have measured the speed of light and so on - but this measurement is based upon our perception within our operating environment. Take into consideration refraction etc of light within our atmosphere, that could be like signal attenuation with electronic signals, who is to say that light / any other "method" has a constant velocity outside of our atmosphere?

I've always believed science to be the best possible explanation of something currently available - not necessarily the correct answer.

EDIT - just a quick addition, everything within our universe as we perceive it may not necessarily exist as perceived. For example, we have a horizon, a ground and a sky because our eyes have a curve. Two eyes together perceive depth of field - could this actually exists outside of our "naked eye" visible realm?

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Agree! we do not realy no if the speed of binary code sent via radio waves or light waves is relevent in space.

As for the Roswell qoute, I have read that also.

I believe the Military and NASA has had us blind folded for over 50 yrs as to what is realy up there?

As for Seti I feel it was put into place to keep us focused away from other things or a distraction? But I could be wrong.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:51 PM by mungodave

Fanx slay.... just got thru it ( kids and all )

S&F

I'll catch up with all the posts later.

Bravo mate.. Bravo

Mungo

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:59 PM by Bob Down Under

reply to post by mungodave

Hi Mungo

Glad your joining us and how are things in the smoke? and have a great new year.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:59 PM by Terric

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
I believe the Military and NASA has had us blind folded for over 50 yrs as to what is realy up there?

Hit the nail on the head. I too don't believe what we're told is the exact truth, more like a condensed version so our tiny little sheeple brains can go "ah... huh..., OK back to consuming".

Who is to say that humans have even been into space - maybe organic life cannot exist outside of our ionosphere? Maybe all those trillions of currency put into making a man-made ionosphere for space shuttles were spent elsewhere...

I don't really see it as likely that we can recreate a defensive shield for a space shuttle that a planet uses to shield organic life from cosmic radiation in a lab with no actual ability to actually test it in its actual intended operating environment i.e. space itself - surely that would require recreating all the potential dangers of space within our planet?

I fear that the truth is far less interesting in reality - truth doesn't create a profit generating industry.

EDIT - sorry mate I cut your name out of the quote, added you.

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:04 PM by SLAYER69

Honestly I dont think they want to talk with us directly right now.
We may have back engineered some of their stuff.

But until we learn to get along with each other I feel they don’t want anything to do with us yet.

We can create the best Starship our tools and imagination can come up with and develop super Technologies but I feel mankind is confused about high technology we think that will put us closer to them and that the more we advanced technically the more they will find some kind of kinship with us.

I think we may have missed our mark.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:06 PM by mungodave

Originally posted by Bob Down Under
reply to post by mungodave

Hi Mungo

Glad your joining us and how are things in the smoke? and have a great new year.

Damn fine my friend... will u2u.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:13 PM by Bob Down Under

reply to post by Terric

I read alot of what John Lear has to say and if you read between the BS he spins you the plot unfolds.

His BS has do with keeping the wolves at bay in other words it keeps him safe ie when he lets something out that will upset the powers to be he then comes out with a crazy story like soul catchers on the moon LOL?

Hes one smart fella!

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