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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:14 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by DrumsRfun


Its almost a pompous idea.

Almost?

It's a ridiculously pompous idea.

It is the idea that one layabout's bloated, selfish, contemptible little ego is more powerful than the Universe.

It is the idea that every two-bit high school dropout is God, or at least Stalin.

It's laughably pompous, and anyone who believes it for a moment deserves a sound kicking. Plus an extra kick for sullying the Science & Technology forum with this superstitious trash.

[edit on 9-1-2009 by Astyanax]


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:23 AM by sebarud
reply to post by Astyanax



I could not agree more.

According to this idiotic theory, somehow the children in Gaza must have created the war that is killing them - because of their emotions.

Yeah, right.





reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:24 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by manbearpig


its no new age hippy crap its science. check out gregg braden The Science of Miracles.

No, it is New Age hippie crap.

Maybe people who don't know anything about science are fooled.

Sorry, but there it is.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 04:07 PM by Astyanax
reply to post by kosmicjack


But I really don't see how the OP's position is all that different from LOA. If you intend to be happy, you will be. If you intend to be sad, you will be.

Cosmic, I have to ask, and so? So what?

Happiness is the goal?

Allow me to quote at length. From Dostoevsky.

And so these refined parents subjected their five-year-old girl to all kinds of torture. They beat her, kicked, her, flogged her, for no reason they themselves knew of. The child's whole body was covered in bruises. Eventually they devised a new refinement. Under the pretext that the child dirtied her bed (as though a five-year-old deep in angelic sleep could be punished for that), they forced her to eat excrement, smearing it all over her face. And it was the mother who did it! And then that woman would lock her little daughter up in the outhouse until morning and she did so even on the coldest nights, when it was freezing. Just imagine the cries coming from that infamous outhouse! Imagine the little creature, unable even to understand what is happening to her, beating her sore little chest with her tiny fist, weeping hot, unresentful, meek tears, and begging 'gentle Jesus' to help her, and all this happening in that icy, dark, stinking place! Do you understand this thing, my dear friend, my brother...? Tell me, do you understand the purpose of this absurdity? Who needs it and why was it created? They say that man could not do without it on Earth, because otherwise he would not be able to learn the difference between good and evil. But I say I'd rather not know about their damned good and evil than pay such a terrible price for it. I feel that all universal knowledge is not worth that child's tears when she was begging 'gentle Jesus' to help her!

Oh, it's fiction, of course. The Brothers Karamazov, in A.R. MacAndrew's translation. But this is the kind of fiction, harrowing as it is, that pales before reality. And this Law of Attraction, which - yes, you are right - equates precisely to the idea that emotion creates reality, is essentially the willingness to ignore all the sorrow and horror and injustice of the world and concentrate on building one's own wilfully blind self-created non-reality. It's never going to happen in real life - there is no Law of Attraction, emotion does not create reality - but what this belief really does is place the believer in the centre of their own egotistical universe where circumstances don't matter, the horror and the pity don't matter even if they're your own, so long as you can convince yourself you're happy. EVen that little girl in the outhouse might - given sufficient experience of the outhouse, and competent enough indoctrination - even be able to convince herself that she is happy, because this is her lot and she is paying the wages of sin whose price will assure her passage to heaven. Doesn't this happen? And don't the doing of real-life monsters, like Fred and Rose West or the guy who runs the Lord's Resistance Army in South Sudan and Uganda, leave Dostoevsky's cruel nineteenth-century Russian parents in the shade? You're going to ignore all that and 'intend to be happy'? For shame, girl. Life and liberty first, please, after that we can get on to the pursuit of happiness.

Quoting literature in the Science & Tech forum. I will be cursed with an outbreak of nanotechnological boils.

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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 04:13 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Astyanax



Making statements about how suffering comes to be and how it perpetuates itself, does not equate "ignoring" suffering.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 04:57 PM by Astyanax
reply to post by Skyfloating


No, it doesn't. But... you know... I live in a culture where acceptance and contemplation are the prescribed attitude to pain and suffering. I also live in the middle of a bloody civil war that has taken about a hundred thousand lives in the generation it has lasted so far. For all those people who died, and those they left behind, acceptance and contemplation are dusty answers.

Enumerating the ills of the world is not enough.


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 04:59 PM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by ziggystar60



Thanks for the sober thought.
I was thinking the exact same thing.Its ignorant,its not science.Science can give me proof.
I totally agree that this theory must come from someone who hasn't lived much life and seen much pain.
How would they explain all the people who died in war.How would they explain ww1 and ww2.How can you explain a kid whos in love with some girl who doesn't like him back....it must be his fault??
Its ignorant hairy fairy stuff.
I think blossom goodchild would love this thread LOL



reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:00 PM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Skyfloating



Your comments remind me of Wayne Dyer. I know there are people suffering, but should it preclude me from being happy, especially if I am powerless to change their situation?

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reply to post by Skyfloating



Specifically related to Israel, Gaza and the story posted above - If peace and/or an end to suffering is what is truly intended, wouldn't a person or people find a way to achieve it? Emotion (intention) would create or seek out circumstances or actions conducive to it.

Again, not trying to beg the issue.

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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:03 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by kosmicjack



Well, the thing is this: In a state of suffering I wouldnt have enough energy to effect any change or help anyone.

Im not helping the unhappy by being unhappy myself.



[edit on 9-1-2009 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:08 PM by kosmicjack
reply to post by Skyfloating



In fact, you are very likely to perpetuate or spread even more UNhappiness. No? Thus, emotions create reality.

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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 05:08 PM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by Astyanax



Thanks for actually answering my question.
It is a pompous thing I agree.People are grabbing at anything these days to make themselves feel better.
I say grab a beer and let reality be what it is.
Emotions control your life but not your reality.Reality is what it is....we have no control.
How many times have you heard the saying...this can't be real or how can this be??
It is what it is.
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