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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 07:34 PM by 04326
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Armed UN presence makes sense. UN was the one which sanctioned the partition and had a HUGE hand in creating the mess. Now that the SHTF, i think they
need to do something to fix it especially considering that Israel or America is not going to do anything to assist the palestinian cause.
Who gives a crap if hamas protests or israel protests, the mess has been created by the UN and it should be the one to clean up after itself and pull
both parties in line in order to save innocent lives.
Oh and i dont understand why the Veto still exists. It has caused nothing but trouble. It should be abolished - if not then the countries with vested
interest in a conflict should not be allowed the right to vote and use the veto power.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:11 PM by Alpha_Magnum
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Originally posted by GAOTU789
An article from a retired General in the Canadian Forces puiblished today in the Globe and Mail.
What is the UN waiting for? Deploy a strong
force to Gaza
On their own, Israel and Hamas are doomed to a perpetual state of war no matter how much international diplomatic horsepower is applied to
resolving the conflict. But there is a solution that the world has been adroitly avoiding for 40 years.
The Security Council needs to show some rare backbone and authorize a strong UN force under the UN Charter's Chapter 7, which authorizes the use of
deadly force as necessary, and deploy it within the Gaza Strip, taking on the responsibility to provide the security to which Israel is entitled.
The oft-expressed idea of putting international monitors into the Gaza Strip to control smuggling and the firing of rockets is ludicrous: Hamas would
run rings around any unarmed outsiders whose only mandate was to "observe and report."
It's an idea that may have some merit, except I don't see HAMAS taking kindly to it and could see many small arms battles between the UN force and
HAMAS if this solution is used.
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I have read elsewhere that NATO soldiers are not exactly as honorable as RoboCop. I read that many of them engaged in crimes like theft, beatings,
extortion and rape as well as murders for hire. There are corruption issues as well like the oil for food deal.
I would imagine that as the Israeli population grows the land allotted to the Palestinians shrinks. The simple reality is that land is a resource as
well as energy. The Israelis are the dominant group and that simply squeezes the Palestinians.
I have trouble visualizing a lasting solution to this and it seems that the NATO peace keeper idea is better than nothing. Naturally the Israelis
can't police the other side and after a while we would wind up to the sea.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:19 PM by jam321
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A strong UN force with the authorization to use force is an excellent idea. That would definitely show that the UN has a backbone. The only problem
then would be finding countries with the backbone to supply those troops to the UN force.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:27 PM by Anonymous ATS
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You have a point there, Jam.
But if every arab nations around are welcoming palestinian for exile, I don't think Israelis will restraint themself. They will push stronger for the
exodus of Palestinians.
Jordan went on civil war almost 40 years ago, Lebanon is still debased since exodus of Palestinians.
What appears to be a lack of compassion maybe some self protection for states like Egypt.
On the other hand.
It is quite a nonsense, or cheap, or cocky for the US administration to support without any reserve the actual behavior of Israeli government, killing
and bombing arabs and in the sametime begging Arab countries for 300 Bl $ to support US economy, wich in return support Israel economy and army.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:25 PM by Anonymous ATS
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Remember the "7 day war"....tomorrow is day # 7. An optimum date to mop up military operations and take the initiative to call for a truce or cease
fire for humanitarian reasons.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:29 PM by munkey66
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possibly those sympathetic with the Israelis may lead the way as far as UN peace keepers go.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 12:37 AM by bignick
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Temporary truce will only make it worse, they need to get it over with this time anyway possible.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 01:39 AM by Alpha_Magnum
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Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by GAOTU789
A strong UN force with the authorization to use force is an excellent idea. That would definitely show that the UN has a backbone. The only problem
then would be finding countries with the backbone to supply those troops to the UN force.
I know the UN could volunteer the services of the IDF since they are close by!
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:06 AM by JanusFIN
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After sleeping for a while... Situation Check:
Peres: We don't want Gaza Strip cease-fire, but cease of terror
"We are not looking for a cease-fire, but a cease of terror," said Peres, adding that Israel is carefully reviewing the cease-fire plan outlined
by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
www.haaretz.com...
Amid int'l pressure, Security Cabinet mulls expanding op
Despite increasing international pressure on Israel to withdraw its troops, a senior official confirmed that plans had been drawn up to move
troops into the south as well.
www.jpost.com...
Doesnt look Israel is accepting truce...
IDF battles Palestinian gunmen throughout Gaza
www.haaretz.com...
But they are giving very strange, never before seen announcement...
IDF: Gaza to see noontime pause in fighting
www.ynetnews.com...
... Looks like real truce is about 50-50 now. Lets wait.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:51 AM by JanusFIN
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Something what really is opposing truce to Gaza... Why Arab nations are pushed to their edge:
- Why Arabs are profiting from this war?
Crude fluctuates; overall prices up
Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:58:16 GMT
www.presstv.ir...
- "So let those poor Palestinians die... We need those dollars now!"
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:33 AM by JanusFIN
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Yes, but no thanks!
Israel 'positive' but non-committal about Egyptian truce
JERUSALEM, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Israel said on Wednesday it viewed "positively" talks with Egypt over a proposal to halt fighting in the Gaza Strip
but the Jewish state stopped short of accepting a ceasefire.
www.alertnet.org...
Thats it then... War continues?
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:45 AM by UmbraSumus
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I would imagine that as the Israeli population grows the land allotted to the Palestinians shrinks. The simple reality is that land is a resource as
well as energy. The Israelis are the dominant group and that simply squeezes the Palestinians.
reply to post by Alpha_Magnum
I read somewhere recently that the Israeli Arab population within Israel is growing very fast . Perhaps change will occur from within .
Perhaps ,perhaps , perhaps !
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 08:01 AM by JanusFIN
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 09:10 AM by JanusFIN
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LEFT HAND DOESNT KNOW, WHAT RIGHT HAND DOES!
Change the man... Where is Solana?
Sarkozy sparks confusion on Gaza truce plan
PARIS, Jan 7 (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Wednesday Israel had accepted an Egyptian truce plan for Gaza, but his office
later said he was simply welcoming Israel's previously announced reaction to the proposal.
www.alertnet.org...
He is there to solve, not to confuse... "BUT I WANT MY NOBEL TOO!!!"
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