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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 04:28 PM by Electro38

Originally posted by Phage
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I would hardly call the UFO Hunters "investigation" of the Tinley Park lights thorough. I'd call it a joke.

Thanks for the link to the thread. My point is that the Tinley Park lights very closely resembles this new sighting.

Well, it was a more "thorough" investigation then most sightings receive, particularly in comparison to this current sighting.

I guess I'm the only one who finds the similarity between these two sightings slightly interesting.

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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 04:33 PM by Phage

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I agree both sightings are similar. Probably because they are both sky lanterns.

YouTube Link

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 04:44 PM by Electro38

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They do look like lanterns, however the thing that intrigues me is how the pilot who witnessed the recent sighting described the lights as suddenly accelerating, and flying away.

A witness of the Tinely Park lights described how the stars were "blocked out" when viewing the object/s.

I'm also a little intrigued by how the Tinely Park lights maintained geometric patterns. This could happen with Lanterns, but not very likely if they were all floating separately (not attached).

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 05:09 PM by Phage

Originally posted by Electro38
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They do look like lanterns, however the thing that intrigues me is how the pilot who witnessed the recent sighting described the lights as suddenly accelerating, and flying away.

A witness of the Tinely Park lights described how the stars were "blocked out" when viewing the object/s.

I'm also a little intrigued by how the Tinely Park lights maintained geometric patterns. This could happen with Lanterns, but not very likely if they were all floating separately (not attached).

The pilot in the video does not say the lights accelerated, he says "they took off". That could mean they blew away or even simply burned out. A bit more research shows that though the surface winds were very light they did increase with altitude (about 20mph at 2000'), perfect conditions for a nice lantern launch.

I don't recall any of the Tinley witnesses saying the stars were blocked but I do know several of them said the configuration of the lights changed. The explanation given by the UFO Hunters was that the "object" was rotating on a horizontal axis. The problem with that "theory" is that they are assuming it was indeed a single object when there is no indication that it was. If it's assumed the lights were separate it make a lot more sense that the configuration would change. I made some other comments about the show here.

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reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 05:37 PM by Electro38

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Yeah, you're right he did say they "took off", I was assuming he was describing acceleration.

Well, this is starting to look a lot less interesting.

I do know the UFO Hunters tried to rig up some kind of PVC pipe frame which would carry the flares via balloons.

I wonder what they could have achieved if they tied several lanterns together with string and then sent them aloft?

You wouldn't need balloons, flares or PVC pipe.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 06:14 PM by Jim Scott

Those darn aliens are throwing Chinese lanterns out the back door of their UFO again. I'd watch for a new crop circle on the lawn of the White House in the next two nights....LOL

reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 12:48 AM by kronos11

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okay now i have to call Utter rubbish. chinese lanterns? Please rewatch the video of the guy with his family who has worked around aircraft for the past whatever years. He was fairly adamant that he and his family were viewing aircraft of some sort, just not any that he has seen before. Chinese lanterns.. please don't make me laugh. Have you seen the multiple videos littering youtube from different areas/angles that show this craft lit from the bottom and stationary. Chinese lanterns do not hover and then "take off"..they float. Not saying this is alien craft but definitely a true ufo.

Case in point below.. Chinese lanterns?

www.youtube.com...

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reply posted on 9-1-2009 @ 01:56 AM by Phage

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The pilot said nothing about "aircraft of some sort", he said "I've been in aviation for 20 years and never seen anything like it." I guess he hasn't searched for "sky lanterns" on youtube.

I don't know about hovering, here's a quote from a witness;

"The formation of 5 lights were first noticed over Cedar Knolls and then as they approached the Madison/Morris Township border the rear half of the formation slowly faded and appeared to drop from the sky and then the front part of the formation went out one by one,"

wcbstv.com...

The wind that night was from the northwest. The lanterns would have been drifting with the wind from Cedar Knolls, toward the Morristown airport, and perhaps beyond.

The fuel of the lanterns (paraffin) doesn't last forever. As it burns out the flame gets smaller and dimmer, the air in the lantern cools. The lessening flame could also create the illusion of the lantern "taking off" into the distance.

Yes, I've seen several videos and they all appear about the same. Pretty similar to this one toward the end.

YouTube Link

reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 08:42 PM by kronos11

man that video isn't even close. one could easily see the flickering and wavering of the triangle formation where in all the videos I've seen of this object is red and it maintains a stationary postion at extremely high altitudes.

not chinese lanterns.

reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 09:11 PM by Phage

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How do you judge the altitude by viewing a video? There is nothing to provide any reference to size or distance.

Lanterns come in different colors.

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reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 09:25 PM by Common Good

What gets me is, how can the authorities say that they were flares attatched to balloons? Did they "recover" these flares and balloons??
Its just really funny to me how quick they can come up wih an explanation.
If someone could enlighten me as to how the authorities came up with this conclusion, id be glad to hear it.

reply posted on 11-1-2009 @ 10:16 PM by d.morgan

The chinese lantern excuse can't go on forever. These things are appearing very frequently all over the world at the moment. Some may be lanterns but the majority, I believe are ET vehicles.

reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 07:34 PM by Bakane

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Yeah, I think these are responsible for a lot of UFO sightings. Its hard to admit, because I want this all to be real.

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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 07:44 PM by UKWO1Phot

I have to disagree on the lantern theory...

A single light in the sky or multiple lights flying independently yes..

Five in a constant formation?? Not a chance..

Lanterns flicker and bounce around in the wind (whatever the wind speed)

4 clear video images from different angles and people..

Grow up. These are NOT Chinese lanterns

reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 08:01 PM by Muundoggie

I'm curious...
Are these sightings in populated areas? Are there not Police or News choppers available to fly toward these "lights?"
Seems like somebody could have done this by now if there was any validity to these lights.

reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 10:16 AM by UKWO1Phot

Sooo. Where have all the debunkers gone???

Gone looking for an easier target to dismiss?

Don't you think these lights are similar to the configuration at the end of this clip?

YouTube Link

4 mins+

reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 11:07 AM by awake1

In NE Florida last night at dusk, directly above my yard just above the trees, a craft with blinking red lights , 8 of them, shaped like a V came out of nowhere. It was very clear and still light out, just at dusk and I was observing Venus in the SW and Sirius in the SE , moments before there was nothing in the sky .. I'm sure b/c I was amazed at how clear it was. Then suddenly this object was there right above me moving very slowly , i thought it was a plane at first but it was odd.. i couldn't SEE the body of it although it was right there about 20 ft above me and not quite dark , i couldn't see the sky or any stars through it either, so something was there but nothing I could make out.. it was like lights on a shadow. It was right there but all I could really 'see' were the red lights blinking in a V shape (like the video on page 1) I was stunned and frozen there but not really afraid , kind of in a daze .. no one was home (of course) to share this with .. it was moving sooo slowly , I kept trying to focus on it to see what it was , that's the odd part.. if it was a plane that close I could have seen the pilot or windows or something ! It went over my neighbors house and then just disappeared. There has never been a plane here that low or in that direction. Absolutely NOT lanterns it was moving & there was a whooshing sound although it didn't seem that the sound was actually with it.. very hard to explain.. thanks for listening !

reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 11:13 AM by mortje

Chinese laterns change formation constantly, cause they are seperate objects moving as phage vid shows. The vid the OP was talking about has lightpoints which stay perfectly aligned, therefore it can't be seperate laterns. Maybe a rig of laterns, but thats pushing it...

reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 11:36 AM by Kandinsky

Originally posted by d.morgan
The chinese lantern excuse can't go on forever. These things are appearing very frequently all over the world at the moment. Some may be lanterns but the majority, I believe are ET vehicles.

At Glastonbury Festival in around 2003 five or six lights slowly floated across the sky in formation. Lots of us looked up and couldn't figure out what they were. We had no reference point to compare them or explain them. It remained a forgotten puzzle.

Years later, I see a picture of Chinese Lanterns and a video. I remembered what we'd seen and recognized them as lanterns.

My point is that is very easy to mistake lanterns for a UFO formation if that's where your interest lies, or if you have no reference with which to understand what you are seeing. It's not a conspiracy of cover-ups; it's human nature trying to explain what it sees using cultural reference points.

"majority-ET-vehicles" clearly reveal your reference points and are opinion not fact.

reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 12:31 PM by Phage

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The video in the OP lasts about 15 seconds, not enough time to see the configuration change.

Have a look at these videos taken by different people. Each one shows a different configuration. The configurations are so different that they cannot be attributed to different viewing angles. These are separate objects, moving independently and randomly.