Thanx for the update Springer..

one question, have you thought about sending Larry King an Email..
is he still doing the UFO/Alien segments on his show?

I would think it would be worth a shot..

Why waste even more money making a presentation???
Just release the documents to us, i'm sure we'll figure all this out our selves.

Thanks for the thorough and well thought out response Springer ! Doesn't suprise me at all the the MSM passed, and I'm still damn excited to get the info myself someday. Thanks for giving me something to look foward to again

I'll say it again for the record, these documents are NOT proof that the Government has been interacting with aliens.

I stopped reading after this is mentioned.

Have a nice day. I saved a lot of time from my precious life. I have better things to do than reading something that is nothing more than speculations.
Well this whole site is.

Thanks.



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The MSM passed? Who did you contact? If this is really about the MSM I’m sure ATS members would be more than willing to contribute to contacting people like Larry King. You’d just have to make one thread that encourages members to send him a massive amount of e-mails. Might not work, but you never know, we might gain someone’s attention.

So far this is another long list of claims within a vague update. I’ll be more than happy to take back every discouraging word I’ve typed about ATS the minute one piece of tangible evidence is posted. Until then I’m not holding my breath. If these posts weren’t made by a member of the staff we’d all be seriously questioning their credibility.

Originally posted by SkepticalSpectacle
Have a nice day. I saved a lot of time from my precious life. I have better things to do than reading something that is nothing more than speculations.
Well this whole site is.

Life doesn't hand everything to you, sometimes you have to work for it. A magic document (or should I say Majic?) that proves the whole ET existence probably doesn't exist, and if it did people wouldn't believe it anyway; people like you would try and debunk it.

A network of documents that show a consitant coverup and officially sanctioned lies to elected officials seems to be more valuable in unravelling this mess that started in 1947. It's not only about the aliens, it's also about the actions of the Government.

I love ATS everybody believes in aliens/ufo but everybody are charletans.

Nobody agrees on one person telling the truth.

Want to know what kinda documents cliff.stone got just download the matrix 1 book written in 1988 by val velarian all the guys that are in the ufo community worked on publishing that book all the names are in there and the documents.







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Thanks for the reply Springer. If only there was some sort of way that ATS users can directly donate to this important cause in the field of UFOlogy. (If you noticed, Wikipedia recently collected over $4million in donations from 125,000 users)

Economic Recession aside, I am sure there are some wealthy individuals out there willing to donate to such a cutting edge discovery into UFO research *cough, Dan Akroyd cough*

Bogus self seekers like that makes it hard for the true facts to come clear, as I spotted an unidentified object one evening and came to a conclusion that since I was sober, maybe the government has either created a generated holographic image of some form or, a missle radio controled, but yet I had this goofy sensation that an alien being was inside this image laughing at me...so move over Mr Stone!~

I have seen suggestions of contacting Larry King and also Dan Ackroyd and believe it or not I actually think both ideas are quite valid and could possibly bear fruit.

I think it's worth a shot anyways, no harm done trying right?

Originally posted by SkepticalSpectacle

I'll say it again for the record, these documents are NOT proof that the Government has been interacting with aliens.

I stopped reading after this is mentioned.

Have a nice day. I saved a lot of time from my precious life. I have better things to do than reading something that is nothing more than speculations.
Well this whole site is.

Thanks.



[edit on 7-1-2009 by SkepticalSpectacle]

There was a thread before the "ATS in Roswell" that Springer started. I think Springer used the thread to research how much pay load be could lift into space during the 60's, any way apparently a mettalic constructed object crashed in Africa some where weighing more than what NASA and Russia was capable of lifting into space at the time and possibly even now...
This is all i can remember though because it was so long ago.

Bassicly your missing out mate, because i know these FOIA documents will have some juicy stuff.

Springer,

Thanks for getting back to us on this - I'm sure everyone here will join me in thanking you for the time, effort and expense you have gone to in this endeavor. I don't think that "dumping" the docs online is necessary to satisfy the majority in the short term. Perhaps you could just give us a brief synopsis of what you've uncovered thus far without having to go to the additional time or expense of putting together a video production. Perhaps you could just list some of the docs and the pertinent information or passages contained in each doc. Like this:
Memo from LTC X to Gen. Y dtd 12 Nov 53 - "Unknown Object appeared to follow and observe troop movements in the area for 30 minutes. Photos taken and passed on to higher authority per SOP"
I think that this would satisfy many of us until we can get to see the actual docs.

We had meetings with the top brass of, 60 Minutes, 20/20, The Today Show, Good Morning America, and Larry King's producers were at our media party at the Gansevoort Hotel in NYC last November and acted very interested but never returned our Public Relations Firm's phone calls to set up a meeting.

We have a signed development deal for a TV Show with a premier production company (one of the top three the largest independent production companies on the planet) that I believe will get bought by a network first quarter of 2009. IF (and when dealing with TV it's ALWAYS "if") our show gets picked up by a network we will be presenting these documents in the first episode.

If it doesn't get picked up we plan on producing a 20 - 30 minute video with our own money to do the same thing. We will upload either (whether it's done with the TV show crew or our own crew) version to the site for all to see at no cost other than a couple pre-roll and post roll ads.

As I've said, these documents, when put together in order, are without a doubt straight forward proof of what I've outlined not only in this thread but in the original thread as well. If anyone wants to believe that is less than important or somehow vague, that's your decision and your prerogative.

Every bit of what we have is available through FOIA, anyone who disagrees with how we are doing this or thinks we are "dragging it out" for some ludicrous reason is free to do the research, assemble the documents and present it just exactly how they see fit. Have at it. Like I said, we've spent tens of thousands of dollars, asked for nothing and still intend on releasing them when we are prepared to.

I am getting just a little more than tired of reading the commentary of people who have no clue what they are talking about trying to taint our efforts here. We are building a business that we hope will open the doors of the media to the wisdom of the crowd for the first time in human history.

We have risked everything we have and continue to give this venture, The Above Network, LLC, 100% of our time and effort working to make it all happen. I would invite anyone who feels that is not enough or feels we aren't doing it just the way they think we should to go create their own company, build their own site, raise their own money and school us post haste.

I am done here because it's becoming a repeat of the last iteration of this topic. I know the OP was asking a valid question and I admit I let the frustration I feel toward the MSM on this project combined with the vast requirements the other 30 or so initiatives we are working on distract me to the point of being remiss about updating this topic.

For that, I apologize to those who are genuinely interested in the subject (not to those who only seek to slam/talk smack about us from the comfort of their zero risk position seated in their recliner) and I promise to stay on top of this going forward and keep you all informed as the situation warrants.

Springer...

We are building a business

I think that’s what worries posters when it comes to ATS dealing with people like Cliff Stone. This looks less like a site that is encouraging the denial of ignorance and more like a site trying to make some green. I think it would be really unfortunate for people to disregard the documents because of Stone’s involvement. At the same time I’d be sad to see intelligent skeptics buying into this story just because the claims are being made by members of the staff and site creators. I won’t disregard the documents yet, but I’m remaining skeptical, as I think many others would if these claims were being made by a regular poster.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

We are building a business

I think that’s what worries posters when it comes to ATS dealing with people like Cliff Stone. This looks less like a site that is encouraging the denial of ignorance and more like a site trying to make some green. I think it would be really unfortunate for people to disregard the documents because of Stone’s involvement. At the same time I’d be sad to see intelligent skeptics buying into this story just because the claims are being made by members of the staff and site creators. I won’t disregard the documents yet, but I’m remaining skeptical, as I think many others would if these claims were being made by a regular poster.

Yes, ATS is not what it used to be,it's more of making a profit nowadays.Just look around,you see lots of more ads,books being sold and pushed by ATS ,site rankings,and everything and anything you post on ATS becomes theirs,Now a T.V. show?Oh well,I still love this site,I just hope that in the near future ATS doesn't care more about making money then denying ignorance.
Just scroll to the bottom of the home page and take a look for yourselfs,look at the sides of every page here on ATS and what do you see besides ads?
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[edit on 9-1-2009 by icybluebeing]

Springer,

Congratulations - it sounds like ATS has big plans for the future. Where would one go who wants to be part of this effort to put ATS in front of the masses?