I am going to tell you people something about autism..
It isn't in most cases where the kid is born with it, they have to get a few shots to acquire it.. Most commonly its the MMR #s that cause the kid to
acquire autism and fall after that.
My kid who is 8 at 3 he was a normal kid, at age 5 he had to get the MMR and cause him to have autism..
I believe the mercury within the shots cause kids to have autism that is why there is a high rate coming up recently.. they state that by 2012 there
will be 1 and 50 kids who have autism compared to today which is 1 and 150 and compared to 5 yrs ago which was 1 and 300 or something..
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 07:03 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by ThichHeaded
I am not saying that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. No one definitively knows that at this point. However,
www.cdc.gov...
They have stopped using the contested mercury based preservative and children are still becoming autistic and, as you indicated, at what seems to be an increasing rate.
This would seem to exclude mercury in vaccines as a cause, much like another murder occurring while a suspect was in custody could eliminate that suspect from being considered the cause of a string of related murders.
It still may have something to do with vaccines. It could be as "simple" as overloading a childs immune system with several different things at one time causes a problem that leads to autism, or it could be something absolutely unrelated to vaccines. Until we have what passes for scientific evidence, (the ability to determine a causative effect in a predictable way) I think it is too soon to say we know one way or the other.
The elimination of mercury as a suspect, however, seems pretty open and shut. If you take away the mercury, and you still get cases of autism, it is not really logical to assume mercury was the cause. Of course to accept that you would have to assume the companies were not lying about its removal. That also could be the case, and one has to consider it on a conspiracy website.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]
I am not saying that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. No one definitively knows that at this point. However,
www.cdc.gov...
Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal)
Photo of bottle
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930s. There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.
Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.
They have stopped using the contested mercury based preservative and children are still becoming autistic and, as you indicated, at what seems to be an increasing rate.
This would seem to exclude mercury in vaccines as a cause, much like another murder occurring while a suspect was in custody could eliminate that suspect from being considered the cause of a string of related murders.
It still may have something to do with vaccines. It could be as "simple" as overloading a childs immune system with several different things at one time causes a problem that leads to autism, or it could be something absolutely unrelated to vaccines. Until we have what passes for scientific evidence, (the ability to determine a causative effect in a predictable way) I think it is too soon to say we know one way or the other.
The elimination of mercury as a suspect, however, seems pretty open and shut. If you take away the mercury, and you still get cases of autism, it is not really logical to assume mercury was the cause. Of course to accept that you would have to assume the companies were not lying about its removal. That also could be the case, and one has to consider it on a conspiracy website.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 07:51 PM by die_another_day
reply to post by WyrdeOne
Yes of course there are genetically engineered food and so much preservatives added to products that it's harmful. But the "high quality" "stuff" I'm talking about are grains and meat.
American has the world's finest wheat which is the basis for one's meal throughout the world.
Meat here is very well prepared, and I personally don't care if they added some protein to the meat to change its color or make it more "nutritious" because it is better than most other part of the world. And you know what? At least we have meat here.
People should not be worried about the "quality" of the products, people just have to becareful to not eat Crunch bars or corn candy or something.
Seriously, how much better can food get? Can't get much better than what is here in the U.S.. There is another choice which is organic products they don't appear as pretty as genetically engineered products from hydroponic gardens. But people would choose food from retail stores because of appearance and the "illusion" of cleanness.
Yes of course there are genetically engineered food and so much preservatives added to products that it's harmful. But the "high quality" "stuff" I'm talking about are grains and meat.
American has the world's finest wheat which is the basis for one's meal throughout the world.
Meat here is very well prepared, and I personally don't care if they added some protein to the meat to change its color or make it more "nutritious" because it is better than most other part of the world. And you know what? At least we have meat here.
People should not be worried about the "quality" of the products, people just have to becareful to not eat Crunch bars or corn candy or something.
Seriously, how much better can food get? Can't get much better than what is here in the U.S.. There is another choice which is organic products they don't appear as pretty as genetically engineered products from hydroponic gardens. But people would choose food from retail stores because of appearance and the "illusion" of cleanness.
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 08:24 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Well, one way to test that theory quickly and painlessly is to find out if any of those conditions you are attributing to corn existed outside the America's before corn was transported to other continents.
Excellent suggestion. There are a few problems, though:
* Autism was only identified within the past century. Before that, individuals with these problems were usually institutionalized and died quickly.
* Most people didn't live long enough to get any cancers. The number of cancers in people under age 35 (the average age of death until just the last two centuries) is very small.
* People would die of multiple things, including typhoid, asthma, pollution (the great killing smogs of London), smallpox, diptheria, tetanus, polio, whooping cough, influenza... and endless other causes. We don't know what they would have died of had they not died so young.
* Better evidence comes from royal families (who had the best food and best medical treatment), including Egyptian mummies. There we see people who lived very long lives and who also died from cancer, had arthritis, rheumatism, and so on and so forth.
And, if it is not just natural corn but corn meeting the conditions you outline above, did those health conditions exist at all before we began treating corn in that fashion?
Yes, and more (though any mental problems were generally hidden as it was a "shame" on the family.)
The patterns of mortality have been changing rapidly within the past century, with the development of antibiotics, antivirals, and more. Nutrition has, and is, drastically changing the length of life as we can see in the industrialized countries. Europe and America eat similar diets, and the farms in eastern Europe are particularly polluted (the Soviets were not as careful in tending the environment... in some places, the life expectancy of the horses that worked in the area was not 10-15 years but 4-5 years.)
If corn and processed food were the problem, we would be seeing life expectancy drop from 1940 onward (when it was 68.2 for females, 60.8 for males). Currently it's 75.15 for men and 80.97 for women here in the US. That's nearly 20 years added onto life. Our modern foods have higher nutritional content than before.
One other thing to note is that the 50 year old person of today isn't in as bad shape as the 50 year old person of the 1940's. Eva Marie Saint at 84 looks far younger than the 84 year olds of the 1940's: en.wikipedia.org...
That said, yes, there's something going on and it is probably a very complex thing. We still eat like farmhands but we don't work in the fields every day. We tend to be a nation of observers and not a nation of doers. And our lack of being outdoors has been implicated in things like a growing increase in allergies.
If corn were the problem, Mexico and Central America would be having a greater crisis than the US.
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 08:46 PM by liveandlearn
Maybe it is corn products in conjunction with blood type, or some other genetic difference. Our society prescribes for us as though we are robots and
one size fits all.
I adhere, mostly, to the blood type diet. I am type O and according to the diet, type O cannot have milk (I have long been lactose intolerant), gluten, corn and a variety of other items. However the products above are in almost everything we eat. Try to eat 1 day with no wheat, corn or milk.
Well, as it happens, Native Americans have one of the highest rates of Diabetes and eat one of the highest diets of corn. They are also predominately type O.
According to the blood type diet, type A should have only chicken or fish, no beef. Supposedly they are the only blood type that can be vegetarian and do really well. Medicine now recognizes that a risk factor for colon cancer is type A blood. And what do they suggest you avoid...beef.
Here is the link to this diet. And of course, there are some debunkers but it has worked well for me and alleviated some digestive problems.
blood type diet
I adhere, mostly, to the blood type diet. I am type O and according to the diet, type O cannot have milk (I have long been lactose intolerant), gluten, corn and a variety of other items. However the products above are in almost everything we eat. Try to eat 1 day with no wheat, corn or milk.
Well, as it happens, Native Americans have one of the highest rates of Diabetes and eat one of the highest diets of corn. They are also predominately type O.
According to the blood type diet, type A should have only chicken or fish, no beef. Supposedly they are the only blood type that can be vegetarian and do really well. Medicine now recognizes that a risk factor for colon cancer is type A blood. And what do they suggest you avoid...beef.
Here is the link to this diet. And of course, there are some debunkers but it has worked well for me and alleviated some digestive problems.
blood type diet
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:03 PM by liveandlearn
reply to post by ThichHeaded
My grandson reacted to his second MMR with excessive crying which was a side effect with recommendation to not give the remaining injection. He had reacted as though he had autistic tendencies prior to that. Until this thread, I had forgotten that all babies get the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth.
My grandson reacted to his second MMR with excessive crying which was a side effect with recommendation to not give the remaining injection. He had reacted as though he had autistic tendencies prior to that. Until this thread, I had forgotten that all babies get the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth.
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:17 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by Byrd
* Most people didn't live long enough to get any cancers. The number of cancers in people under age 35 (the average age of death until just the last two centuries) is very small.
Actually, the whole line of reasoning that people did not live long enough to die of cancer is really just factually incorrect.
It is NOT true that people only lived into their 40's before the turn of the century.
What is true is that was the AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY. (This is one of my pet peeves as this is the most widely spread and inaccurate piece of data going when it comes to health.)
Average life expectancy is derived by taking all humans age at death. Including infants. That number is so low because infant mortality was so high. If you lived past infancy, you were likely to live almost as long as we do today. Modern medicine has added about 7 odd years ( and some argue closer to five) to the adult life span.
www.livescience.com...
During the course of the 20th century, average life expectancy skyrocketed by 57 percent, from about 49 years of age in 1901 to 77 years by century’s end.
At first glance, the numbers might indicate that early 20th century society was bereft of grandparents. That's far from the truth.
www.breathing.com...
Some 100 years ago, every fifth baby died before reaching the age of one. But once a person had reached 40, 50, or 60 years of age, and he/she no longer had to worry about childhood diseases, their life expectancy was about the same as it is today.
Once we've accounted for those changes in the neonatal and infant mortality rates over the past 100 years, we see there is a mere six or seven additional years of adult life, in spite of dramatic advances in modern medicine.
This is one of those pieces of information that, while statistically true, has caused an enormous amount of disinformation. Statistics dont lie, but you do have to understand how the formulas work in order that you are able to extract meaningful information from them. This particular bit of disinformation has been so widely and completely disseminated throughout the popular culture that it would take nothing short of a public service campaign to undo the damage to the collective data base.
Sorry. Please, please, feel free to research this on your own to confirm. The problem isnt that the information is not available and fairly well know, it is that no one thinks to look because they assume they already know the truth.
Edit to add; And, I suspect the medical profession is loathe to undo this misconception because it paints them in such a flattering light.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:16 PM by WISHADOW
reply to post by WyrdeOne
That was a great trip. This reminded me of an article on Apple's CEO Steve Jobs health where they discovered he has a hormone imbalance. And of course the corn fields in the movie the X-files popped into mind. That is sort of like the bee population kill off. These are just more dots for the chart. Soon we will be breathing more and more ethanol made from corn. I just love corn though. Corn is really great to eat with lots of butter. I'm not sure. Stuff like this can be said about everything but it does make sense. It makes about as much sense as medications found in drinking water.
That was a great trip. This reminded me of an article on Apple's CEO Steve Jobs health where they discovered he has a hormone imbalance. And of course the corn fields in the movie the X-files popped into mind. That is sort of like the bee population kill off. These are just more dots for the chart. Soon we will be breathing more and more ethanol made from corn. I just love corn though. Corn is really great to eat with lots of butter. I'm not sure. Stuff like this can be said about everything but it does make sense. It makes about as much sense as medications found in drinking water.
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:23 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by themamayada
With allergies, I 100% think the cause is a "bored" immune system. It's called the hygiene theory. Because we live in a relatively clean world anymore (antibacterial soaps, showers every day, decent food) - our immune system, which 1000s of years ago worked constantly to fight off ick... nowadays it gets bored, and then "over attacks" innocent food proteins, pollen, dust, etc.
There is quite a bit of evidence that this is indeed the case.
There is also evidence that when you are exposed to a possible allergen can have an impact on whether or not you develop and allergy to a specific thing. (Pets for example)
resources.metapress.com...
I cannot cut and paste directly from the article, but it essentially says that there is an inverse relationship to indoor pet exposure before age two, and later pet allergy and asthma development. In the case of dogs it seems to offer some protection against developing allergy/asthma altogether. And, the more the merrier. You got more benefit from 2 dogs or cats than one or none.
Perhaps the reasons allergies are increasing is a combination of factors.
1) The bored immune system. The fact that our cleaning products keep our environments too clean to keep the immune system occupied with meaningful work.
2) Maybe it is because today, unlike in most times in human history, we move miles and miles from where we were toddlers. Maybe our immune systems have a "window" in which they differentiate between friend and enemy and our more mobile lifestyle today is thwarting that system.
I never had allergies in the place where I grew up. Then I moved to an entirely different place, (from the tropics to high desert) and I suffer from allergies to the plants here.
Who knows. It is very interesting, and great fun to follow the science. I think trying to narrow the cause of all human kinds physical and mental ills down to one factor (corn or anything) is a mistake. We dont live like we adapted to live. We have lots of differences. Less activity, excesses of food, more hours of work for the whole year long instead of on/off periods, greatly increased daily hours of light exposure, exotic foods that our ancestors never ate, and hence we may not really be adapted to, increased crowding and noise levels, etc., etc.
I doubt there will be a magic bullet that will fix the problem. I think it is going to take a major overhaul of not only our diet, but the way humans live. I think many of our modern ways of living are not really good for humans. They may be good for quarterly reports, but I think the question we are going to need to seriously ask is, should technology/society serve humanity? Or should humanity serve technology/society? To me, the answer is clear.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]
reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:40 PM by caithness cat
reply to post by WyrdeOne
Corn is one of the main contributors to the rise in type 2 diabetes within certain indigenous groups that use corn as a diet staple. Maze, which was originally the type of corn these groups consumed, was replaced by africanised sweet corns and now of course, Round-Up ready GM MONSANTO type corns. So, yes corn can be bad for your health in large quantities. Also, you mentioned pyrethrin which is a pesticide. This pesticide was commonly used in treatments for head lice but now recomendations are to avoid products containing this as it is harmful to children and can affect their livers as well as their central nervous systems, so if pregnant women consume large amounts of corn treated with this pesticide, perhaps your conclusions could be quite valid.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by caithness cat]
Corn is one of the main contributors to the rise in type 2 diabetes within certain indigenous groups that use corn as a diet staple. Maze, which was originally the type of corn these groups consumed, was replaced by africanised sweet corns and now of course, Round-Up ready GM MONSANTO type corns. So, yes corn can be bad for your health in large quantities. Also, you mentioned pyrethrin which is a pesticide. This pesticide was commonly used in treatments for head lice but now recomendations are to avoid products containing this as it is harmful to children and can affect their livers as well as their central nervous systems, so if pregnant women consume large amounts of corn treated with this pesticide, perhaps your conclusions could be quite valid.
[edit on 6-1-2009 by caithness cat]
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