Israel hits 2 UN schools in Gaza, page 7
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:14 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by FlyersFan




Looks like someone "farted in a foxhole" ... yet another gaza thread has appeared.


Yes,its called keeping up with current events.
I wonder,did/do you say the same thing every time a new 9/11 thread opened?


That's all you needed to say - Al Jazeera


Because the American press never lies,right.


Schools have been turned into military targets by Hamas because they launch rockets from them and use them as weapons depots. It's a fact.


Every single one? Do you have proof of that?


And I see you have changed your signature.Was that because I called you out on the hypocrisy of it? Y'know the one,it had a link in it that led to a site about American freedom,yet you deny the Palestinian their's....I think my Israel thread has proven that the comment of Golda Meir in your new signature is also highly hypocritical.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:15 PM by commodore64
reply to post by serpentine



Hi. Sorry but I couldn't follow your train of though. Could you summarize what you try to say ( I am not being sarcastic but really didn't get the hardcore point you want to say). Thanks.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:49 PM by antonia
reply to post by commodore64



He was drunk i think. Not talking a potshot or anything but he said he was drunk in the post...anyway that's going OT i just wanted to clarify it for you so you understood.



reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:57 PM by JanusFIN
So here we see first "great" official response...

At least 30 die in strike on Gaza school; IDF: Troops fired in self-defense


www.haaretz.com...

... "That boy in the field, he had weapon in his hand... Really!"

IDF: Mortars fired from bombed school


www.ynetnews.com...

... If there really came mortar fire, which is of course possible, they really should give fast hard proofs openly and wide to public, to back up their words... They are loosing this now.

... If they show evidence from mortar fire to world wide, they still can fix this towards Hamas, no question about that. But Israel should hurry on this!

[edit on 6-1-2009 by JanusFIN]


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:43 PM by dbates
Originally posted by JanusFIN
... If there really came mortar fire, which is of course possible, they really should give fast hard proofs openly and wide to public, to back up their words...


See
this post that I made earlier. You might find that to be of interest. Video of mortar fire included. Sure it's from earlier but it does prove that they used the school as a mortar lauching pad.



reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:04 PM by JanusFIN
reply to post by dbates



I have shoot very much with light and midsize mortars (in pic), but what I see in that video you posted, its something like rockets, maybe home made ones... But not any accurate and dangerous mortar fire -



You dont hide when mortar ammunition is taking off... And there is no flare in ammunitions. (like in video)

Its huge difference if there were mortars, or rockets fired from school, if there was something fired. In video you show, danger to armed forces, tanks from such kind of fire is almost zero level, but accurate mortar fire to open positions is great threat...


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:45 PM by JanusFIN
Eyewitness testimony just heard in Live TV, one minute ago...

english.aljazeera.net...

Officer from targeted school said that there is no fighters, not any shooting anywhere near from the school compound; "All fighters are in the borders, not here inside Gaza, this school is not near border." He stated that Israelis are lying about firing.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:09 PM by Bugman82
reply to post by Harlequin



So Harlequin, why would Hamas fire from a school in 2007? Could it quite possibly be for the same reason they are firing from schools in 2009? Spin it any way you want and in any manner you like. The truth of the matter is Hamas uses civilian structures like schools and hospitals and mosques to wage their terror. It is purely undeniable.

It is just as undeniable as the fact that Israel has also done many terrible things.

War is terrible! When did we lose sight of this fact? When did we lose sight of the fact that the allies carpet bombed Berlin and Germany did the same to London? When did we lose sight of the fact that war is inherently evil and evils happen from both sides? When did we lose sight of the fact that in any war in recorded history civilians died?

Now, even in the face of a specific Hamas leader who said 80% killed had been Hamas, we call fowl on Israel and only Israel when both are in the wrong. It's like the parent who doesn't punish their kid for doing something wrong in school and instead blames the teacher. When will Hamas accept responsibility for putting their citizens in danger? When will they accept responsibility for firing rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians (that being their primary target with these attacks makes me sick). When will Hamas accept responsibility for firing from civilian structures? Oh, wait Hamas is accepting responsibility now as Israel wipes them off the face of the earth.

I do not condone what Israel has done. However, I also don't condone what Hamas has done. I don't condone either of their ideologies. I don't condone Israel's blockades, Hamas' attacks, or Israel's war. It is two extreme ideologies clashing against each other. Let them clash. Taking sides will only encourage these ideologies in one way or another.

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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:15 PM by Bugman82
reply to post by Rizen



Actually, here is how I plead.

I think back to the fact that the UN gave Israel the land. Why would Israel take that land? Could the Jews around the world possibly have been scared and weak in sight of the fact that 6,000,000 of them had just been wiped off the face of the earth? Any Jew would have jumped at the chance to have a place to call home for their religion and their people in sight of that. This also does not mean that Israel was right to take the land, it is simply me trying to empathize.

You can look at events from many different perspectives.

Also understand that I don't support either side. I can empathize with the Palestinians also. How would it feel to be thrust from your home and have your land taken? How would it feel to be facing a superior fighting force that could do whatever they wanted with you?

Empathy is key to understanding. Strive to empathize with the people from both sides.

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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:22 PM by Rizen
Israel is occupying Palestinian land.

It's as simple as that.

To all the Israel supporters: How do you plead?

Guilty.

reply to
post by Bugman82




Israel has come a long way since then. What Israel have been doing since then has been trying to impede on Palestinian land and freedom.

Come on, Israel supporters.....RESPOND! I know it takes a while to think of something intelligent to say to this, but TRY!

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Rizen]
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