Israel hits 2 UN schools in Gaza, page 10
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 02:08 AM by neformore

Listen up please.....



Stop the personal attacks.

If you can't post about this subject without insulting another member, don't post.

Most of you have been around ATS long enough to know the ropes by now, and if you haven't, I suggest you read this before you post again.

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And I also suggest you read these two posts as well

Time to take a deep breath and consider how we post

Wars are not won and lost on ATS, they are discussed

If you cannot be civil to fellow members, then your posts will be removed. Some already have, and thats because 95% of their content were personal attacks.

In case you all had forgotten Courtesy is Mandatory

I don't care which side of the ideological divide you are on in this matter, it doesn't preclude you from being civil and treating other members with courtesy. Admittedly, this is a passionate issue, but weigh your ego's in at the door because the insults and personal attacks are now getting out of hand.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:02 AM by reaper2
Well Who started it? its a matter of opinion but when it really comes down to it it has to be isreal.




I have to say bombing schools is just plain sick, Isreal are acting like barbarians infact this kinda reminds me of what happened in bonia (ethnic cleasing) but i dont believe anyone will come to the aid of the palistinians with usa making sure the un can take no action.

The Isreali government should be tried for CRIMES AGAINST HUMMANITY.
WAR CRIMES, and sent to guantanomo Bay forever.
just plain sick.



reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:14 AM by flyindevil
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by JanusFIN

The madness I observe is Hamas breaking truces by firing rockets, then hiding among civilians.

Fail. Israel broke the truce on or around November 5th when Israeli soldiers killed 6 Hamas gunmen.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:44 AM by Alpha_Magnum
Originally posted by flyindevil
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by JanusFIN

The madness I observe is Hamas breaking truces by firing rockets, then hiding among civilians.

Fail. Israel broke the truce on or around November 5th when Israeli soldiers killed 6 Hamas gunmen.


Did you ever consider that Humas and groups like that are created by the USA and it's proxies. They seem to get used to "Stir the Poop" in order to influence the masses. Consider the reality of Oliver North and the Iran/Contra "issue." As part of an American plan the Israelis supplied Iran with weapons (that came from the USA) but Ronald Regan had "No Idea"
But wasn't Iran/Hezbollah the same thing? Oliver North showed us that the Iranian Hostage Crisis that Carter had to endure could have been shortened but their release was planned for when Regan took office to make him look good and Carter look bad. Then it was so long White House Solar Panels.

Here I'm just pointing out that this older stuff has lots of legs. Our nation engages in lots of "COVERT" mucking about. This is what Ron Paul was warning us about. Our government lies all the time! So do our proxies.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:47 AM by VinceP1974
As is usually the case for incidents which cast Israel in a horrible light, the ones responsible are Israel's enemy.

HAMAS game is to use Western values against Israel. It is not an Islamic value to protect life at all cost. To die in the cause of Allah is to go to paradise.. to them it's a win-win situation to be killed if by dying you help the Jihad.

Western value , derived from the Bible, is to protect life and not kill indiscriminately.

HAMAS , Hezbellah and the like deliberately provoke attack on the Arab Civilians because they know the Hate-the-West Media and Leftists and maladjusted Righties will then seize upon the opportunity to declare Israel immoral.

Now then here is video from 29 Oct 2007 of HAMAS firing mortars from the school grounds



This is from an AP Story

www.google.com...
Palestinian residents speaking on condition of anonymity because of fear of retribution said that several militants ran toward the crowd, trying to use it as cover, when the first Israeli mortar shell missed them.

...

Gaza militants used to wear black or khaki uniforms, but since the start of the Israeli offensive have been operating in civilian clothing, blending into crowds.


...

However, with Israeli forces moving deeper into Hamas' home turf after a week of aerial assaults, the Islamic militants are improving their odds. Hamas has boasted that it prepared deadly surprises for Israeli forces and Tal said that includes booby-traps and tunnels.

...

On Monday, three Israeli soldiers were killed by friendly fire when a tank crew took aim at the wrong house. In a separate incident, another soldier was killed by an errant tank shell.


And here is Fathi Ahmad Hammad, of the Palestinian Legislative Council, saying the obvious. They are Islamists. Islam does not value the protection of the life.. only doing whatever it takes to harm their enemy and help the cause of Islam:

"[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel [V: They should go shopping instead], and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life." "


So there you have it.

So if you know HAMAS strategy is to use your own values against you, the way to defeat that strategy is to not play their game.

When Israel responds to provocation which results in Civilian Deaths, direct your anger towards HAMAS. HAMAS killed them



reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:53 AM by VinceP1974
Originally posted by antonia

You are missing the essential point. It was never the UN's land to give. It was never the UK's land to give. The people who lived there did not go to the UN and say "Here have this land, it's your's! Give it to whoever you want!". The people who lived there were not considered in the original decision. It was just "Jews go here it's your's". How is that ethical? I don't believe the jews should leave but to use what was an immoral UN mandate as justification for their existence is somewhat illogical.


The land had no soverignity. Therefore the Jews declared the State of Israel on the land that was theirs. The land the Jews lived on was theirs. They owned the titles. They did not displace anyone.

The Arab Nations' response , via war, is what created the 1948 borders. In May 48 when the State was establshed I do not believe the borders were defined.

It was only after the War of Independence Cease-Fire with the UN that the borders of Israel were defined. And because the State had already existed then, the legitimacy of the State was resolved.

Nations exists based on facts on the ground and the ability of the polity to defend its land.

It should be noted too that any Arab who lived inside the Israel 48 borders were given full citizenship rights.

The sad story about the Palestinians is all due to JIhadist dehumanization. Only a people kept in a state of perpetual agitation can keep the hatred going to sustain the Jihadists genocidal program.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 08:02 AM by VinceP1974
Originally posted by flyindevil
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by JanusFIN

The madness I observe is Hamas breaking truces by firing rockets, then hiding among civilians.

Fail. Israel broke the truce on or around November 5th when Israeli soldiers killed 6 Hamas gunmen.


Fail. The november operation was to mitigate an imminent threat of a HAMAS kidnapping IDF Soldier Plot. It was not a violation of the cease fire.

This current round of fighting is due to HAMAS resumption of shelling southern Israeli cities.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:34 AM by nocty
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by JanusFIN


I think you had better tone down your sarcasm and insults.

There is a thread telling AtS members to cool it, so please try to discuss the issue without getting personal.


and who are you to tell people what to do? he didn't insult anyone, as for sarcasm he is allowed to do that,and here is something for you : i will trie my best that this sounds more like an insult rather then sarcasm : i hate americans like you who are shallow only see the front picture,dont look into depth ...i wish u would just be cemented in to a hamburger...on the other hand i see so many wonderfull americans here with open minds and hearts ,very intelegent also ...but you just like to tell people what to do dont you ?

ps: i am bosnian if u are wondering ... come with me with u shallow bs and i will put a bazooka so far up... nah have a nice day dude!


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 12:30 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by Amberite



As I said, it looks like you have the entire situation backwards.


You need to look a little deeper.

The Sykes–Picot Agreement favoured the creation of an independent Arab State,or Confederation of Arab States.There was nothing in it that said it wasn't a possibility.

But even before this plan there was the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence,letters exchanged between the Sharif of Mecca,Husayn bin Ali and Sir Henry McMahon,British High Commissioner in Egypt.

Within those letters is the agreement of British support of the Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire,and the agreement that they would uphold the creation of an Arab state.

October 24 1915 letter from Sir Henry McMahon,High Commissioner in Egypt,to Sherif Husayn of Mecca.
The districts of Mersin and Alexandretta, and portions of Syria lying to the west of the districts of Damascus, Homs, Hama and Aleppo, cannot be said to be purely Arab, and must on that account be excepted from the proposed delimitation. Subject to that modification, and without prejudice to the treaties concluded between us and certain Arab Chiefs, we accept that delimitation. As for the regions lying within the proposed frontiers, in which Great Britain is free to act without detriment to interests of her ally France, I am authorized to give you the following pledges on behalf of the Government of Great Britain, and to reply as follows to your note:That subject to the modifications stated above, Great Britain is prepared to recognize and uphold the independence of the Arabs in all the regions lying within the frontiers proposed by the Sharif of Mecca.




[edit on 7-1-2009 by DantesLost]


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 12:34 PM by mrmonsoon
The Head master of the school is a terrorist rocket builder.
Rueters

I Also have two video's of Gazan terrorists launching attacks from schools.

YouTube

www.youtube.com...

Yeah, sure Gaza terrorists don't launch attacks from schools.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 12:37 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by SkepticalSpectacle



The Iranians LIKE to lie!


So do the governments,politicians and media's of the West.

What makes them any better than the Iranians?

Believing or not believing a story just because of the source is a very blinkered way of looking at the world.
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