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Topic started on 6-1-2009 @ 04:10 AM by stander
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WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama plunged into rare pre-inaugural crisis talks with congressional leaders Monday, declaring the national economy was "bad and getting worse" and embracing tax cuts now expected to reach $300 billion. He predicted lawmakers would approve a mammoth revitalization package within two weeks of his taking office.


Here you have it, folks. Amidst the ailing economy, the government didn't dare to actually start collecting some of the $700 billion designed to rescue the financiers. On the contrary, a tax cut is in the making and if everything goes well, They the People get bailout in a spectacular way. No one, of course, will bitch about that . . .

Obama's proposal to stimulate the economy includes tax cuts of up to $300 billion — including $500 for most individuals and $1,000 for couples if one spouse is employed


This is not going to help and another rescue package will follow. The comedy will continue and before Obama's first term is over, They the People will have pocketed $700 billion.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:57 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Interesting that no one is interested in discussing Obama's tax relief that he promised in his campaign. So many were criticizing him for raising taxes on the wealthy (which I think he still will do eventually), that they didn't take seriously his plans to provide tax relief for the middle class to help stimulate the economy.

Many Republicans Reluctantly Agree


Still, that Obama is planning to make tax cuts count for 40 percent of his stimulus plan has heartened some Republicans and will almost certainly make it easier for the new administration to win GOP votes for the measure.

The package also contains significant tax breaks for businesses, including retroactive write-downs on losses incurred in 2008 and 2009, a one-year tax credit for employers who hire workers or forgo layoffs, and a write-off for new investments. House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) last year pushed the idea of tax write-offs for businesses that hire more people or invest in new equipment.

“If it’s true, it would be a step in the right direction,” a House GOP leadership aide said of the overall proposal.


It's funny to see so many Republicans resisting agreement with Obama because they really want to hate him, but can't argue with his priorities so far.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:21 PM by stander
Originally posted by mecheng
Please tell me what good $500 will do for someone who can't afford heat, food, gas, or mortgage? What good will it do for the people who have or are about to lose their homes and/or their jobs? This won't stimulate anything except being able to pay bills for another week.

$500... ththththpppt! Keep it.

I can tell you roughly what those $1000 for a couple who can't afford to pay electricity bills could do: it will take care of the bill for about 20 months.
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You know, the world thinks that Americans are thick, but they have bright national moments, like the recent presidential election. The tax cut will surely help a lot of small business in the hood and paraphernalia shops. Speaking of which, there is one down the street. I should go window shopping, so I could suck on a brand new crack pipe with engraved Presidential Seal when the check arrives. I hope that those criminal Republicans don't give Obama too much trouble. Sign it; send it. Life is good. O beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain, la-la-laaa-laa . . .




reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:02 PM by daddyroo45
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I am not asking for anyone to pay my debts for me.How daft are you?What I was eluding to is that being as Obama is going to pass this massive new bailout. He should start at the bottom and let the money work it's way through the system. He really can't do that because we all know that this country's real profit is debt intrest.
I am against these bailouts all together.They weaken the capitol wealth of the citizens at large.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:03 PM by marg6043
People the more I read into the Obama Stimulus package to "save the economy" the more faults I find in it.

See is a fact that America borrows on the tax payer money to pay for interest alone.

We in America have lost millions of jobs in the last 8 years along.

America tax payer can not pay enough in taxes to lower the incredible expanding deficit.

So America has been borrowing like crazy from our lenders now the biggest China for everyday business.

Do you know what that means, China pays for our everyday government expenses, war, the infrastructure, social programs and government pay rolls.

So Obama solution is to keep borrowing more money, cut taxes and a littler give away to the working class.

People of ATS you are smart people you are passionate people do the math and come to me and tell how this bail out for the economy is going to fix the economy, reduce the deficit and pay off our bills and stop the borrowing.

This is how America used to recover from recessions

In the past recoveries were routine, because recessions were temporary restraints resulting from the Federal Reserve putting the brakes on an overheating economy. By restraining the supply of money and credit, the Fed caused inventory buildup, layoffs, and a halt to price rises and union wage demands. With the economy cooled by unemployment, the Fed would take off the brakes. Interest rates would decline, money would flow, consumer demand would rise and workers would be called back to the factories.


This the present situation of America.

Today the situation is different. In the 21st century real wages have not risen. Workers have spent more by accepting deteriorating household balance sheets. They have maxed out their credit cards and spent the equity in their homes. Imitators of the US government, American consumers borrow to pay their bills.

The expansion of household debt relative to income created the illusion that the economy was sound. But the consumer economy was as much of a credit-based bubble as the real estate bubble and the financial sector bubble. The economy has lost its real basis.


I may sound pessimistic but nobody even those that see Obama as the rescuer cannot deny that Americas road to recovery is just no there.

Any stimulus toward the economy in this nation will go oversea, that means that the stimulus bail out that will be borrowed against tax payer to be backed up with money from our lenders oversea will become more burden into our already bankrupt economy.

Sorry people but that is a fact, ugly dirty but a fact.

www.economyincrisis.org...


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:29 PM by daddyroo45
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My statement,asking how daft you were,would be the exception.Usually I find that you present good arguement for your stance.However I felt that the point in my previous post,flew by you. The enevitable progression of these bailouts is a given. I was pointing out how they could be most effective. I hope you incurred no insult from me.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:33 PM by FlyersFan
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That's the first time in 6 months I've given BH a star for a post.
I'll even give it a as well.

reply to post by marg6043


Marg .. would you please run for POTUS in 2012?
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