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Topic started on 6-1-2009 @ 03:31 AM by solidshot
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European gas supplies disrupted
news.bbc.co.uk
 Several European countries say they have suffered major disruption to their Russian gas supplies after Moscow cut deliveries to Ukraine.
Turkey said all its supplies had been cut. Romania reported a 75% reduction. Bulgaria, Greece and Macedonia have also been affected, Bulgaria said.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:31 AM by solidshot
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Nice of Russia to stop the supplies of gas during the cold snap that we are going through at the moment here in Europe, and yet another reason why we
have to start using alternative energy sources more so that the Russians and middle eastern countries don't have this stranglehold upon us when ever
we are need of energy.
On another note though could this be the start of an energy war on the way?
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:34 AM by sadchild01
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problem is the moron Yushchenko refuses to pay gazprom the payment for the natural gas at market prices
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:35 AM by bodrul
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anyone supprised at all?
Russia hass us by the leash when it comes down to the gas supplies, we already pay a fortune for Gas, even so the Gas companies make hundreds of
Milions in profit they charge more claiming that the profit margin is to small.
at the end of the Day its the average person thats going to feel the pinch 
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:38 AM by Harlequin
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russia transport 330 million cubic meters of gas a day through ukraine - 30 for ukraine , the other 300 for europe.
Gazpro reduced the amount being sent to 300 million - the paid for amount by european countries. as ukraine hadn`t paid its $2 billion gas bill.
ukraine keep taking the 30 million , which they haven`t paid for.
its theft - pure and simple.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:58 AM by ALLis0NE
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Originally posted by solidshot
On another note though could this be the start of an energy war on the way?
More like WW3.
Whats happening now is everyone is flexing their muscles.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:13 AM by Harlequin
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Mr Miller recommended that deliveries via Ukraine should be reduced "by the amount stolen by Ukraine, that is 65.3 million cu/m of gas".
Future deliveries should be reduced on a daily basis by the amount of gas "stolen", he added
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Ukraine has denied stealing gas, saying technical problems are disrupting the onward flow of gas to Europe.
Gazprom, in which the Russian state owns a majority stake, said it would compensate by sending more gas to Europe via other routes.
gosh i hate the bbc at times - ukraine admit that they are reducing the gas flow even more due to `technical difficulties` lol and russia are
increasing the flow on other routes - so maybe the effected countries need to go slap ukraine for not paying its bill.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 12:58 PM by maloy
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This time Ukraine can no longer convince anyone that big bad Russia is the one to blame. Ukraine is stealing gas - and they are stealing it from
their European neighbors not just Russia. It also refuses to negotiate with Russia and work out an agreement to pay off its debt. How can anyone
still accuse Russia?
Yuschenko has finally shown his true self. Irresponsible, childish, and incable of being a leader of a country. It is about time that orange clown
is booted out of office, and this time I doubt Europeans will step in to back him up. It is time for change in Ukraine, and the current pro-US
leadership has outright failed at running the country.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:00 PM by maloy
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Originally posted by solidshot
Nice of Russia to stop the supplies of gas during the cold snap that we are going through at the moment here in Europe
Russia is not stopping any supplies. What are you talking about? Its your neighbors stealing gas meant for you.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:04 PM by SLAYER69
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However you want to slice it the Russians need to find another route, because this makes them and the Ukraine look childish and who is paying the
price? The average Joe, Juan or Fritz on the street.
Yeah the USSR is gone but the same People are still roaming the halls of the Kremlin 
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:12 PM by maloy
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
However you want to slice it the Russians need to find another route, because this makes them and the Ukraine look childish and who is paying the
price?
That is why Nord Stream through the Baltic is under construction currently. When it is completed it could carry enough gas to bypass the thieves in
Ukraine almost entirely.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Yeah the USSR is gone but the same People are still roaming the halls of the Kremlin
Your opinion on communist ghosts has what to do with this thread?
You of course are aware that the Soviet Union has exported gas to Western Europe throughout the Cold War without any interuption or political games?
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:16 PM by maloy
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It looks like Ukraine is the one exerting pressure on Europeans here. It is basically blackmailing Europe to support it in the dispute or it shuts
down the pipeline. It is not about Ukraine's portion of the gas anymore. Ukraine is now seriously threatening to shut the entire pipeline down out
of spite. Lets see how much "support" Yuschenko will get for this trick from his Europeans and NATO friends.
Ukraine stopped the work of compressor stations working in the direction of the Balkans
SOFIA, January 6 (Itar-Tass) -- The Ukrainian side overnight, without notification, stopped the work of the compressor stations working in the
direction of the Balkans. The transit gas supply through Ukraine to the region is completely halted.
The Ukrainian side stopped the work of the compressor stations at 04:30 Moscow time, the Bulgarian Economy and Energy Ministry’s press centre said.
Aside from Bulgaria, the gas transit across Ukraine is stopped to Greece, Turkey and Macedonia.
A crisis headquarters is set up at the Bulgarian Economy and Energy Ministry. Bulgarian Prime Minister Sergey Stanishev planned to hold a meeting at
11:00 Moscow time in connection with the problem. Heat stations in Bulgaria are ready to use reserve fuel.
The gas supply situation in Bulgaria is viewed as critical. The economy and energy minister convened a meeting of the security and crisis council at
08:00 Moscow time. Specialists in the situation must retain the work capability of the country's gas and heat supply system and prevent breakdowns.
The gas supply from the Chiren storage facilities is increased to 4.3 million cubic metres to meet minimum needs. The Economy and Energy Ministry has
asked all gas consumers to reduce consumption and use other energy sources.
itar-tass.com...
What will the Ukrainian con artists pull out next? Who can take these clowns seriously anymore?
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 01:16 PM by Mdv2
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Already being discussed here
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:17 PM by SLAYER69
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Originally posted by maloy
You of course are aware that the Soviet Union has exported gas to Western Europe throughout the Cold War without any interuption or political
games?
And my question to you would be
Did the Ukraine have an oportunity in that situation to not pay?
I dont think the old guard Soviet KGB would have stood for that.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:21 PM by Solomons
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Ukraine has the money to pay...yet they are not? russia has every right to cut them off,as for the soviet thing which as maloy pointed out has nothing
to do with this thread,you do remember it failed and collapsed? Putin(who still runs things obviously) isnt stupid,he doesnt want another soviet
union.Only paranoid americans think this.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:25 PM by Harlequin
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Ukraine bo8ught the gas at $50 a cu/m and sold it for $200 to europe
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 02:27 PM by maloy
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
And my question to you would be
Did the Ukraine have an oportunity in that situation to not pay?
Huh? Ukraine didn't need to pay because USSR was a single country. The customers paid, but there was no separation between Ukraine and Russia as
separate economic/political entities. One company was mainly in charge throughout the Soviet Union, and it didn't need to pay itself.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
I dont think the old guard Soviet KGB would have stood for that.
You really have no idea what you are talking about.
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