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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:56 PM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by heliosprime
The issue is not bombers in Israel. The issue is bombers in the US.
The article said - Israel.
I stand by what I said - I don't believe Iran and if people want to kill themselves I have no problem with it. I just hope they only take themselves
out and not innocent people.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:00 PM by Al-Mahdi
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The Iranian students always organize stuff like this but never materialize, i think its more like a propaganda then a real commitment to go, its to
show the Arab masses how coward they are. I personally never seen message like this coming from any Arab country. Its a very smart move to gain more
influence in the Muslim & the Arab world.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:00 PM by R-evolve
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For all our technology and achievements, ultimately we have to be the stupidest species on the planet.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:03 PM by heliosprime
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The article said - Israel.
I stand by what I said - I don't believe Iran and if people want to kill themselves I have no problem with it. I just hope they only take themselves
out and not innocent people.
You don't need 70,000 idiots to bomb just Israel, do you forget that "death to america" comes right after "death to Israel"?
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:12 PM by jdub297
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The IRNA news agency is notorious for specious claims supporting Ahmedinejad (?) and Ayatollah Khamenei. According to the story, Khamenei issued a
religious decree Dec. 28 saying anyone killed while defending Palestinians in Gaza against Israeli attacks would be considered a martyr.
Turning the defense of Palestinians into suicide bombing doesn't follow. I have to lean toward hyperbole, rather than factual reportage.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 05:02 PM by Anonymous ATS
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I'm Iranian, not at all religious, more fiercely proud of my culture and heritage (music, language, art, architecture, poetry/literature/food,
ANYTHING but religion) than you can possibly fathom, and disgusted by this. Religion really compels people to do the most idiotic things. On top of
that, Arabs outnumber Iranians 4 to 1 on the planet and many of them are plenty wealthy. They can fight their own damn fight, with their half-brothers
and and half-sisters (according to each other's religion/collection of myths), no less!
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:34 PM by SpacePunk
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Yeah, this is going to end well. What do the Iranians call it, the 1st Tard Brigade?
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:47 PM by SpacePunk
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They can bring it. If Iran wants to piss off the most armed nation in the world, and I'm not talking about the military, Iran can bring it. I'll
see their suicide bomber, and raise a pissed off bubba with a hunting rifle and a case of Budweiser.
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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:53 PM by Exuberant1
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"And never forget Israel's Last Option, "The Sampson Option" which is as its name suggests would mean taking down the middle east if Israel thinks
it is going down. And with all the Nukes Israel has, believe me they could take down the Middle East fast."
Wait. I thought Israel didn't have any nuclear weapons....
Are you saying Israel is lying about not having nukes?
Did they admit to it recently?
*Please don't report me to the ADL, I'm just asking a few questions.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:38 AM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by whaaa
This is just exactly what I was afraid of. I had a feeling this war was going to spin out of control and involve many ME countries and ultimately the
US. Perhaps the Fundies are right, perhaps this is Armageddon.
I am not a Fundie, but I will point to the 6 day war in 1967 and say
it could have ended very differently.
The arab powers that were greatly embarrassed have been planning
their revenge for awhile now, and the wonderful oil profits have given
them a means to make that happen and provide for their countries.
Read the Koran and take it in a litteral sense and you will see where
they are coming from with their ideology.
All will submit to Islam is basically what the Koran says.
It is much like the forced conversions to Christianity during the
centuries of fuedalism, and some even after that...
100,000 gal per acre per year in the desert algae oil
If they would simply follow this technology to its logical course
oil would be worth very little and end the middle easts power.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:45 AM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by theindependentjournal
"And never forget Israel's Last Option, "The Sampson Option" which is as its name suggests would mean taking down the middle east if Israel thinks
it is going down. And with all the Nukes Israel has, believe me they could take down the Middle East fast."
Wait. I thought Israel didn't have any nuclear weapons....
Are you saying Israel is lying about not having nukes?
Did they admit to it recently?
*Please don't report me to the ADL, I'm just asking a few questions.
Israeli leak offers insight into Israeli Nuke inventory
The mean baseline estimate based on the Dimona reactors output
is around 200 nukes in their arsenal at a 4kg warhead core per
the quoted leak in the FAS article.
So I'd say yes, every major city in the middle east would have at
least two nukes head for it, one as a primary, and one as a failsafe
in case the first is shot down or fails.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:06 AM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by R-evolve
For all our technology and achievements, ultimately we have to be the stupidest species on the planet.
Not good to lump all ppl into one barrel.
Some ppl have been quite intelligent and achieved victory thru
peaceful means, like Ghandi against the british.
I however do not think this will end peacefully.
This religious zealotry is going to end badly I am afraid, as it has before.
We have many ppl here on planet earth that have worked most
of their lives to do good and make the world a better place
for all ppl, we just do not hear about them on the front page
of the dirty laundry rag very often if at all.
The vast greed and corruption that grips the US is but a symptom
of the fall that is still coming toward us.
Retailers have already made plans to close 73,000+ stores nationwide
in 2009 alone, and 2010 may see more if that first massive round
doesn't curtail the nosedive.
Retailers plan to close 73,000+ stores
The problem is in bad times ppl tend to turn inwards and spend less,
and that will make the matter worse, it becomes a degenerative
feedback cycle.
Lay ppl off, they can't spend money, and those who depend on them
and live with them spend less to help them thru their hard time,
so more lay offs continue and so on...
Some economists think World War 2 got us out of the Great Depression.
Lets hope they have some better ideas like Algae oil, or genetical
modified bacteria for making crude oil.
With what we send to other countries for oil we would have no US debt.
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 03:35 PM by R-evolve
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economists may say that world war 2 got us out of the great depression but look at the cost its believed in total the war could of cost up to 70
million lives ( that's a wiki figure i still don't think their sure) so whoopee the depression is over you can bet your arse the people who profited
from the war never put their kids at risk. My comment we are ultimately a stupid species still stands for me because after all this time we still
settle differences by killing, we are above that and we know it, yet we still do it or at least allow it to happen.
We bitch about our governments yet do nothing, we know we went to war over oil. we illegally went to war yet george bush and tony blair will never be
held responsible, we never do hold the people who commit atrocities in our name responsible because it reflects poorly on ourselves. We preach
democracy/freedom to the world, we get rid of saddam yet mugabe still rules (its easy to see which of the 2 had oil). We are as much to blame for
innocent people dying everywhere as the people we elect because we let them get away with it. So all in all i think yes because we are capable of
ending wars and famine, because we are capable of actually making the planet an incredible experience/place the fact its still often hell means we are
a very stupid species.
 ive had a few bottles of beer so i dont even know if these ramblings make sense, i'll read and delete in the morning probably
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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:46 PM by Hartbaern
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70,000 not likely. 7000 Maybe 700 Probabely
So lets look at 700. 700 people could easily fly out of Iran on commerical jets to Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon. There, either the current
governments or the radical factions thereof could supply them and get them over the Israeli border.
They travel to various cities in Israel and maybe half get caught so now we are down to 350. They self detinate at the right time and place and kill
maybe 15 people and injure another 35. Lets see, carry the one divide by 2, and voila! 5250 Killed, 12,250 injured.
That is why this is a big deal. Given the chance, these wack jobs can perfom unspeakable violence that will just escalate into more tragedy.
As for America? Remember the nutty sniper back in 2001? Imagine 50 terrorists with sniper rifles and rental cars. Each one making 3-5 kills a day.
Boom 1 here, Boom 2 hours and 100 miles later, another, in a week over 1700 people or more dead or wounded. And they would not have even gone through
1 or 2 boxes of shells apiece. Consider a decreasing return as some are captured or killed and easily 50 could kill/injure 10,000 people.
We know these people exist and I am using 1% or less of the claimed martyr wannabes. Unfortunately these are not the people interested in talking so
talking will do nothing but give them more time to plan.
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