Russia, Turkey to hold Mediterranean naval drill, page 1

Russia, Turkey to hold Mediterranean naval drill

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A group of Russia's Northern Fleet warships have arrived in Turkey for joint exercises with the Turkish Navy, says a Russian Navy spokesman.

"Today, on January 5, a group of Northern Fleet warships led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and the Admiral Levchenko destroyer arrived at the Akzas naval base for an informal visit," Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said.

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Coincidence? Probably, but surely turning up in this area would raise a few eye-brows with regard to the Israel / Gaza war?

I guess we may see some movements by other nations to try and raise pressure in the area? It all adds up to a risky situation and some delicate manoeuvres needed.....or.....the war might get a whole lot larger.

Still, let's just hope this is all pre-planned and no hidden agendas.




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reply to post by AlwaysQuestion

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Russia will not get involved. OK it wants its cut re Iran. When US, UK and Israel take out Iran, Russia will expect as compensation influence/union in Ukraine. This game has been played out for one hundred and fifty years. The Great Game.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by AlwaysQuestion

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Russia will not get involved. OK it wants its cut re Iran. When US, UK and Israel take out Iran, Russia will expect as compensation influence/union in Ukraine. This game has been played out for one hundred and fifty years. The Great Game.

Only now there is a spoiler, Israel. Do you actually think Russia forgot Georgia and Israel's machinations? You know those military advisers that never made it back to Israel, they are singing like canaries in Lubjanka.

Yes, yes, the Great Game; innocent Gaza civilian lives.

I wonder if it is related to this?

"Today, on January 5, a group of Northern Fleet warships led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and the Admiral Levchenko destroyer arrived at the Akzas naval base for an informal visit," Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said.

The Levchenko will dock at the base while the Kuznetsov remains at sea. The visit will last until Thursday, after which the carrier group will carry out joint exercises with the Turkish Navy before returning to its duties in the Mediterranean Sea, Dygalo said.

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reply to post by masonwatcher

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Russia always has its price Yalta style? There is bargaining to be done for sure. Ukraine is the big prize, Georgia is just a bonus. Russia wants its sphere back, they will do a deal for sure.

This website looks interesting. Moscow defense briefs. Shows joint military exercises for 2005. Lot of info about Russia defense.

mdb.cast.ru...

reply to post by Saf85

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Russia escorting Iranian boats? Why? Russia will not get involved in this. They will make money for sure but get involved? Russia has its own agenda and Israel is not one of them, profiteering from current events is a bonus. Russia and Israel play a funny game, Russia always plays tennis with Israel in doubles with USA too, all the same Russia and Israel share so much, maybe more so than any other nation, they are the same. It's just a game, The Great Game......................

reply to post by AlwaysQuestion

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Let's reflect on this a bit.

If Iran is seriously intending to break the blockade, it can't do it on its own. Turkey and Russia wouldn't directly stick their neck out for Iran.

So let's consider the remote possibilities;

Russia knows very well that exiled Russian oligarchs in Israel are hot for undermining it and these mafioso types are tight with the Israelis. They have influenced Israel's wide ranging geo-political activities and encouraged it to agitate the Ukraine and Georgia with US assistance. Russia also knows that Israel never quits a game plan in operation until it gets a very bloody nose. Russia also has a score to settle with Israel over Georgia. It cannot allow this to go unpunished.

Turkey has been a long time ally of the Israelis but this alliance is with the criminal classes and the nationalist secularists that were seeded during the Cold War. Turkey was meant to be the front line of Nato during the Cold War in the event of a hot war.

These same Cold War warriors were to operate behind enemy lines and were secret with a parallel hidden government on stand by. This government is known retrospectively as 'Deep Government'. Sometime in the 2000s they were activated when an Islamic party won the Turkish elections and they proceeded to attempted a coup d'tate. Civil institutions, the police and elements within the military spotted it and arrested the actors. Now Turkey, a democratic nation, is subject to the will of the electors whom are severely offended by the atrocity in Gaza.

So if there is an arrangement between the above nations, the scenario could evolve thusly;

The war games could happen near the Israeli coast and keep Israel busy and allow an Iranian civil ship to slip through.

Another slim possibility could be an escort into Gaza with the Iranian supplies. Russian and Turkish airforce providing cover.

Finally, a genuine threat made to Israel off its coast to allow Iran to take the food and medicine into Gaza.

All these possibilities are very remote and unlikely to happen because nations rarely intervene in the death of another in these modern times.

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Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher

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Russia always has its price Yalta style? There is bargaining to be done for sure. Ukraine is the big prize, Georgia is just a bonus. Russia wants its sphere back, they will do a deal for sure.

And Israel is to graciously grant that wish, eh?

reply to post by masonwatcher

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Wow!! If you are not from Turkey, I have huge respect to you because you know a lot of things about this country, which are mostly true. Turkey's situation with Isreal is really really complicated. In Turkey, there is a very strong Jewish establishment since more than 300 years (after they immigrate from spain to ottoman empire-mostly known as seferad jews). Besides, there is a very complicated relationship between two armies. It would be a big mistake to claim that Turkey is against Israel because Turkey is an islamic country. But this is on the govermental side. The people in Turkey mostly are against this war crimes, I could say.


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reply to post by commodore64

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I'm not Turkish but a Brit and I read about the coup and Georgia in the papers. I just considered the facts presented, assumed that governments make rational moves even if the decision maker's motives are nuts and make my guesses like everyone else.

In my honest opinion, the only country that seems to have a phenomenal dose of irrationality seems to be Israel. As far as I can figure, it s more concerned about plotting than the end game. Of course the absolute end game could be a Palestinian free Palestine and all these wars firing off around the world with Israeli involvements could be the long path to this goal.

reply to post by masonwatcher

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Actually I really doubt about the irrationality of Israel, because there are very very few people remained as rational and therefore such attacks will remain as rational acts in the course of history. (think about what "normal" means). Israel couldnt make such a horrible act without permission of US and EU, and acceptance of countries like Egypt, Jordan, and unfortunatly Turkey.
Unfortunatly, rationality that we seek does not exist anymore, but the "rationality" as an absolute brutality, as a capitalistic survival instinct exist everywhere.


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reply to post by commodore64

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I think you are right. I suppose deciding to systematically bombard a refugee camp with full might would serve an objective but devoid of any morality. Maybe that's why I think it's crazy.

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