Ok. Now trying to understand what you are getting at here, your saying math defines everything. Your Fate, Destiny, all your choices you make in life, all of it is defined by math?

Math is saying "Hey, do this!!"? Ok, that kewl.... math is the maker then?

I cant see this. To me, math is a tool used to understand things. It is a tool, thats all it is, an extension of our minds to gain more knowledge. We dont need math to understand more, we just decide to use it anyway. Like you use your car to get to work, you dont need it, its a tool, you can simply walk to work.


rekar

So, Is our destiny to understand beyond the fundamentals of math? Are we not already past that level, A higher level of consciousness? A higher Level of being? Is this not the overall path of the human race, to ascend to a higher level of being, a higher understanding of it all?

It is time for me to head to bed for now, but I will be back, hehe.. looking forward to future posts,

Rekar

Originally posted by rekar
So, Is our destiny to understand beyond the fundamentals of math? Are we not already past that level, A higher level of consciousness? A higher Level of being? Is this not the overall path of the human race, to ascend to a higher level of being, a higher understanding of it all?

It is time for me to head to bed for now, but I will be back, hehe.. looking forward to future posts,

Rekar

Society is built on levels. Maths is one such consruct. Sweet dreams.

Re: Maths.

I remeber some chishna tell me that he had proved that anti matter did not exist. Because it interacted with matter and so in the 'philospical' sense it could not be matter. I don't suppose that you anti maths lot realise it interacts with maths, but hey.

My take on it is this. We have a life path which has predetermined life lessons for our souls but we have complete & utter free will to learn these lessons.
We have life altering experiences, some good, some bad & it's how we handle these situations for our souls to be able to learn from them.

For example, most of us have a psychological fear of something whether it be afraid of heights, afraid of spiders, social anxieties etc..
Now what you find is that life will put us in situations where we are faced with what we fear, now you can face your fear at this point or run from it.
If you run from it, you more often than not will find yourself in situation where this fear will be realised once more, that is unless you become irrational with the fear & avoid situations where the fear can manifest itself.
This continues until you isolate yourself from it or you understand why you have an irrational fear & resolve it completely.

We also have amazing talents within us all which IMO are predetermined before we are born, a lot of us never use our talents & sometimes aren't even aware of them.
I'm sure we have all been drawn to certain things throughout our lives, for me personally it's been motor racing or anything high speed & technical. When I was a kid my careers advisor asked me what I wanted to be when I was an adult & it was to be a fighter pilot.
Now as an adult I have recognised the skills I have & they are consistent with a fighter pilot, I have lightning reflexes, great spacial awareness, a very quick brain, good judgement of speed & angles.
I think I would have been a very competent fighter pilot had I chosen that path. My point being is that I was drawn to a profession at a very young age that was perfectly suited to my talents.
I chose to go down a different and easier path but one that also has built me a very healthy career & utilises my talents in a different manner.
But I still have a strong desire to do something high speed & technical which is why I'm now checking out what's required to become a pro racing driver.

So I believe we have both free will & destiny, it's just that we might exercise free will & lose destiny or vice versa. And there will always be obstacles to overcome because that's how it works, in order to fulfil your destiny you need to overcome personal obstacles for which your life path has chosen to give you.
If we don't overcome them then we get another chance to overcome them in the next life & so on until we have learnt all the lessons of life.
Then we return home for the next universal game.

I did have a lot more to say regarding this but it's late & i have an early morning.
Good post OP.

I think we have one destiny with multiple paths created by you which is a slight variation to what has been said so far.

I know this because of being in love.

I loved someone really hard and really wished, prayed, and hoped to be with this person. He wasnt the best towards me but we were soulmates, we had ESP with each other and passion beyond belief but no matter how hard I wished and tried it didnt work out. He didnt want me. Now the power of intention and movies like "The Secret" come into play. The Laws of attraction did not apply here. After he and I broke up I was devastated. I did not want another man. I swore I would never love again unless it was him because, in my mind, he was so perfect for me that if it wasnt him I just knew in my heart I was destined to be alone. I cried and cried and reflected on him and what went wrong. I wrote a list of all the things I wanted and in a man. It ended up having over 500 things in it. I was extremely specific in my requests so that I would know when I found this guy. I folded it up and put it in a box.

10 months and (purposefully no dates later) I met a guy who was attractive and who told me as soon as I met him that we would be married. I thought he was just nuts. As I got to know him, I began to let my walls down. he was the most loving and thoughtful person ever. He was genuine.

Although I was still in love with my ex. I thought I should move on because he had only flirted and played with my emotions up to this point but no promises of resuming our relationship.



Eventually, I told the new guy about how I still felt for my ex and he told me not to worry that he would wait for me to come around. 1 year later, we moved in together after he gave me a ring. During the move I found my "list" my husband had 99% of the things on the list. It was amazing. I knew then I had somehow ended up in the right place.

Then the 1% that was missing he has changed them on his own (i.e. I didnt want a man with long hair and he cut it, I wanted a man who had his Master's degree, he went back to school etc) with NO KNOWLEDGE of the list. It is so crazy. Now I am married to someone who is the most wonderful man in the world.


I cant explain how this all fits but was it possible that it was my destiny to be heartbroken so that I could "create" the reality of my husband? He was my destiny.

My husband says that from the moment he saw me he "knew" I was his wife and that is why he said what he said. I would like to believe that he is telling the truth although it just may be romantic "game" he was playing.

From time to time I still feel like things are not over with my ex in a way that I cannot explain. Not in a "cheat on my husband" sense but in some other way. It will be interesting to see how that aspect plays out if, at ,in my destiny.


I am still trying to figure it all out. If there are any takers, I am all ears.

Math is not our collective knowledge of anything, its a tool to help understand unknowns. 1+1 is a concept, based on this system of math. Math can be used for many things, but like I said, it is NOT required for anything but we use it.

Maybe I dont understand what you are trying to say because Im in a higher level of consciousness, and lack the ability to think so low, I dont know, and maybe you over use and dont understand math at face value. Math is nothing more than what you get from it at face value, that determines your whole view on math.

rekar