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You actually have not answered most of my questions.
Why was a block aid enforced by Israel?
Why were Palestinians "suddenly" searched for every time they went back and forth from the area?
Who was the first party to respond violently in the 2nd Intifada?
Why do HAMAS militants choose to attack Israelis when they are amongst their own civilians? Is this for the "cause", or so they can "get the attention they need"?
Why does HAMAS put so much effort into creating weapons and antagonising Israel? It seems they only know how to communicate through violence.
Majorion, I meant taking responsibly in the sense of acknowledging these things have happened and caused problems.
I was actually in the Middle East in the year 2000
There was NO block aid, mandatory searches or IDF soldiers abusing any people - let alone any Palestinians
Your criticisms against Israel may be well founded, but you are obviously unwilling to admit that non-Israelis in the area have contributed greatly to the current dire situation.
I don't know why you have brought forth the discussion of "Zionism"? You are linking Israel and Zionism together as if these words are synonyms - they are not. Aren't you doing here exactly what you ACCUSED me of doing when I brought up the 2nd Intifada?
I really don't have the patience to try help you see that you are observing this whole issue from an anti-Israel angle
One more thing, why don't you go locate a dictionary that was printed BEFORE September 11 2001. I think you will find that the definitions given for "terrorist" in these dictionaries are very similar in meaning to dictionaries printed after that date.
I tend to look, and if one side is being given funding, and are not making any progress in their infrastructure to improve their quality of life, then I quickly assume that they are non-productive, and likely spending the funds on things they shouldn't.
The US has given economic aid to the Palestinians about $85,000,000 a year since 1993, President Bush requested $200,000,000 in 2005, and $150,000,000 in 2006, and hundreds of millions of additional dollars over the past several years.
Yet they bitch because they have no water. They are starving.
The Israelis pump electricity to the Gazans,
I know a group of losers when I see them. Need glasses?
Anyone can find the numbers. The amounts in the hundreds of millions of dollars the US has contributed are on record.
Do your own homework. But that would mean you would have to deal with facts. And we know how that works
Originally posted by dooper
Show me a junkie, and I'll not have compassion. Show me the homeless, and I'll show you a lazy bastard.
The Gazans have consistently made bad choices.
My fault? Nope.
Cadbury, why are you bothering, you could point out all the examples you want, and it will be just turned around the other way?
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Originally posted by Cadbury
Originally posted by VinceP1974
You should watch Dispatches: Undercover Mosque.
Or I could actually go to a Mosque with any number of the Muslims I know?
Maybe maybe not. I dont know how open they are with a Kufr in the audience. You do know that in Islam Muslims are not to befriend Non-Muslims,, so if you have Muslim mates, then they're already by definition out of adherance, and that's great.. but dont thinik your friend's attitudes going to make a bit of different to the Radicals. The Radicals have the full Islamic text as their justification. Your friend's actions are not due to anything written in Islamic law, but from ignoring it.
so anyway.. be blind if you want. its your country. well.. it was.
Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by sezsue
Two wrongs don't make a right. And last time I checked it wasn't that Talmud that gave justification to suicide bombers. Your statement is simply a logical fallacy.
They make up the ONLY percentage! What an ignorant reply. You remind of what Stalin said, one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. You really want me to put human lives into a percentage....
Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Majorion
Wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black I could honestly care less about Israel or Gaza to be honest however i do know hate when i see it. Your talking about other posters spewing hate. You show extreme animosity towards Israel and choose to ignore any fact that shows that the Palestinians have made choices that have led to many of there current situations. By the way Using a Muslim assassin from assassins creed I think just sorta proves my point don't you think?