Why do we have to rule over the world?

Why do we have to rule over the world just because we're the USA and just because we have awesome stuff here? We have a very weird country. Sometimes people like us, sometimes they love us, and at other times, they hate us (for good reasons). I want to know why we have to rule over the world. Is it fate? Is it just destiny that we just so happen to be the decider in the world? We nearly gave up our job as the leader to Russia and China during the Bush years but there is hope with the new administration. But I ask, why must all the burden for the world's problems be placed on us? How much fault is it of our leaders, and, how much fault is it of the European nations for sucking up to us after World War II and letting us dominate them through trade agreements? It's too much work to rule the world. When we fail as we have seen other people fail... and... the rest of you really need to be less dependent on us. Maybe we shouldn't have this enormous burden to bear that is of the rest of the world's problems on our shoulder. We revolted against Britain so we would be independent from an empire and as time goes on it seems we are becoming one ourselves. I don't see why this has came to be. Could the idea of Democracy be so appealing to so many people, or, could it be that our leaders are forcing their vision all across the world, making them bow to our will?

I'd like a few ideas as to why it seems like we seem (obviously I'm from the USA here so we=the USA) to dominate the rest of the world.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

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Well while I will agree hat the US currently seems to support your thesis it is certainly not American principles at work. Our founding Fathers talked a lot about interfering in the rest of the world and using military force. Dr. Ron Paul talked about those founding principles in his campaign but everyone called him a kook. The U.S.'s biggest problem is that we are a, or were a, great industrial and fruitful country, I think all of the gifts of fruitfulness God gave us has served to send us down the wrong path. But then again God sad in his Word that Money was the root of all evil, I think the last 2 decades in Washington would prove this easily...

I would say we have no right to do anything anywhere in the world, I would say that we should talk to nations and befriend them and trade with them but not enforce our type of life on them, hell I don't like our type of life being put on us let alone foreigners, if you know what I mean. I am hopeful that Barack will bring that change he promised and take America off the market as the worlds police or guiding force or whatever we are currently. Outside that change I think this country is in for some HARD TIMES ahead...

It's quite amusing though when people talk about American influence shrinking and that America will no longer be the biggest economic, political, and military influence in the world and that automatically means the end of the US!

No Wrong! We will still be a powerful country with a strong military and our economy will rebound and yes we will still go on being American. It's just that since the end of WWII the rest of the world has finally reached our standard of living and in some areas they have passed it.

The world we live in now is exactly what the US, UK and NATO stood up to the communist nations all those decades ago to bring about.

Why just in the past 20 to 30 years most Europeans and some Asians in free market economies have a slightly higher standard of living now.

This does not mean that we in the US have fallen it means that we have won the old cold war, where most of the world has defeated communism and now have Democracies and free markets and higher standards of living.

This is exactly what we fought for!

Once upon a time back in the day the US was pretty much the only strong economy after WWII and so we set about helping our Europeans cousins rebuild Europe and pumped billions into our Asian allies economies, the result now they have a very high standard of living and when they look at the US we are not as impressive as we once appeared.

It's all good we will take our place at the world table as a wealthy and strong country just not the biggest dog anymore.

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As far as I know, unless something seriously happened whilst I was having my tea, the USA does NOT rule the world.

Jeez, there are some arrogant bastards on this forum.

It isn't nation vs nation, in fact it never was that way.

From what I understand of history Britain gave up trade control in return for help in WW2; which allowed the USA to be able to sell to the commonwealth countries that Britain still controlled.

I think Americans were more afraid of communism spreading than the rest of the world was and used her influence to stop the threat.

After a while the CIA seemed paranoid and out of control trying to micro manage the world stage; perhaps it was all the drugs


But all this influence seemed always for short term gains, no one seemed to be in it for the long haul.

I think the USA would gain a lot of respect by trying to slowly withdraw it's influence and military from around the world and become a member of the world family and not just the wicked step sister.

THANKS a lot frank...I just spewed a full mouth of coffee on my keyboard reading that LOL. No offense but US doesn't "rule" over the world. That is the perception of a country that merely has it's finger's in too many pies.

US tends to butt in as they have money to either gain or lose and it gives the appearance of them leading the way...not the case at all.

It's usually the ones leading the offensives that are the most fearful.

Damn that was funny though. I'm guessing that's what you were hinting at...US being involved in so many different issues and the business of others.

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You ask:

Why do we have to rule over the world?

Why do we have to rule over the world just because we're the USA and just because we have awesome stuff here? [...]

I want to know why we have to rule over the world.
Is it fate?
Is it just destiny that we just so happen to be the decider in the world?

it might be more correct to say American Hegemony... in trade, arms,
nukes, etc... the USA uses its leverage to exact the best treaties/agreements with other nations or blocs of nations so American Business will always have the advantage.
there's no 'Destiny' other than a mindset toward taking advantage of others.
there's no 'Fate' other than a predetermined stance as being the 'Alpha male' of any gathering...

Empire hubris & a delusion that 'God-Is-On-Our-Side' is the
banner our leadership carries before the world... i reckon the rest of the world are still buying that propaganda ?!
(even after the USAs banksters recently picked the rest of the world's pockets with fraudulent Mortgage-related Bonds, et al...)

No... the USA wields the most nuclear warheads, bombs, artillery pieces
of any nation or alliance on Earth....
'We' (do you really mean GWB, & Obama)
are world leaders because we have the biggest gun!


and we covet that position... because whoever else takes our place is
an Unknown commodity,

which bring to mind----its better to have a gnat in your face
rather than a scorpion in your blanket

Can't really say if the US does rule the world, or even wants to rule the world.

If the US would use their miltary power solely for humane purposes, it would bring the utmost respect.
Somehow htey always have some hidden reason to take part in the action....

But i live amidst 'Flanders Fields' and am very happy that they finally joined the allies in the war against Germany. Whatever there motivation was at that time, it gave us back our freedom.

We can flame all night long on what is right or wrong, but we all await for Americans to step in and do the 'dirty' job. It hasn't made them much friends, but eventually in many cases, they were the only ones capable and willing to do the job.
Blaming US for being the policemen of the world, or blaming the others for being cowards and keeping there ass'es clean ?

I don't know, you tell me ?

lol.... The title of this thread shows ignorance.

I don’t know what you are being told inside the USA, but you do NOT rule the world, far from it actually.

Technically if we where to say something ruled the world, it would be the Catholic Church (they own the most land) or Queen Elizabeth – she is Queen and head of stated to 16 countries.

It’s definitely not the USA that rule.

Mikey

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We don't rule the world officially but you guys sure are giving us a lot of power to RULE over you. Haven't you ever noticed that? Why are you guys succumbing to our leaders without a fight?

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You know I'm surprised that we didn't lose more of our influence with the Bush administration. Yes, we have all of those things but people saw that our administration was poor at making good decisions. Why didn't they try to step up against the Bush administration throughout most of their time in power?

I'd like to see the US bring all troops and foreign aid home and get our messes straightened out here.
I don't think any of our taxpayers want to rule anything. Seems like its all of the people spending our money that want to "influence" other nations.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Why do we have to rule over the world just because we're the USA and just because we have awesome stuff here?

Frank, The United States does not rule over the world - perhaps at one point when the USD was quite strong you might have had a chance, but right now, the Economy is going down the drain. The United States has quite a lovely deficit on their Balance Sheet... that doesn't show "ruling" to me, that shows "we picked a real winner of a President/thanks for rigging the elections Mister Bush".

For the record, one country that you REALLY have by the hair, is Canada. The US closes their boarders to trade with us if we # off the wrong person, which is why Harper was a great Leader while Mister Bush was in power. "Touch your toes Mister Harper, or we're going to stop buying your softwood lumber and your beef."

I want to know why we have to rule over the world. Is it fate? Is it just destiny that we just so happen to be the decider in the world?

Whoever has the most money makes the rules, and writes the History Books... Now, I personally believe that there is a group of people who make all the decisions, and I don't believe any of them reside in the USA.

We nearly gave up our job as the leader to Russia and China during the Bush years but there is hope with the new administration.

Job as the Leader? You mean, there has to be one? Each SEPARATE Country can't be left to run themselves? In my opinion the United States believes they have more weight to throw around then they actually do.

But I ask, why must all the burden for the world's problems be placed on us?

It's not for Compassion, it's not for Caring, and its certainly NOT for consideration for fellow man. It's for a great big Green word that starts with an M -- MONEY. In my opinion the war in Iraq was unsubstantiated and for one thing... Oil = Money. Whoever gains control over the worlds resources will have EVERYONE at their mercy... I think thats what was going on behind the motivation for the War in Iraq.

It's too much work to rule the world.

Is it now? Have you got experience in this department? Perhaps you should attend one of the NWO secret meetings and let them in on your information - they might like to hear that their plan for One World Government and Control won't work... Oh right, unless of course they instate some sort of policy for "Population Control" - Aids and Cancer clearly aren't doing their job in that department. Whats next, I wonder?

the rest of you really need to be less dependent on us.

We share a LARGE border with you - I don't think we really have a choice - the United States is one of our MAJOR trading partners. How the heck are we supposed to be less dependant?

Our Military has virtually no funding compared to yours. In the event of a War between the United States and Canada - its no doubt in my mind that we would lose. We simply don't have the manpower, and we certainly do not push Patriotism as strongly as the United States does.

We're just igloo living, beer drinking, hockey watching Canadians, easy going, and don't like to start trouble - Thanks Harper, you're doing a lovely job.

Could the idea of Democracy be so appealing to so many people, or, could it be that our leaders are forcing their vision all across the world, making them bow to our will?

I believe your leaders are puppets - pushing someone elses' agenda. Plain and Simple, Cut & Dried - you don't rule the world. I think the US wants to, but right now - they can't. I just dare China to lose faith in the American Dollar - don't they own like a TON of your guys' T-Bills? Now, I didn't do all that great in my Economics Class, but I'm pretty sure, that wouldn't help your current Economic situation at all.

Just my thoughts on the issue...

- Carrot

Hold on one minute, the OP doesn't speak for all of us Americans by the way. I, in no way, think or have ever thought that we rule the world. I think America has been humbled in the past few years.

Personally I enjoyed other countries looking up to us in the past and I hope we can soon reach that level again (not that there aren't people and countries that look up to us now). I have never felt better than anybody else in any other country. We are all one in the same, simply living on different soil.

You don't have to bash America because of one guy. He doesn't speak for all of us, trust me.



[edit on 1/6/2009 by leisuredrummer]

This is a wrong popular belief!
America , Britain, France Germany, India, china, Russia, or any other country in this world don’t run the show…what rules the world is money system….when you had comprehended this evil system then you will have understood what is going on in this world.
The money system has made us believe that we as human can only be governed by politicians, socialist, capitalist, fascist, or communist…all are bound to the money system therefore adhering to the corrupt system.
Politician or religious people have been known to be so incapable of resolving problem because they all use the money as a tool to decide the fait of the people at large.
When one politician or religious person has an idea is only argument is his faith on the “Idea”, looking at it seems so irrational.
When an engineer or scientist person has an “idea” is argument will be tested and verified many time before any one agreed.
If you want a better world abolish money, which was invented to slave people, and trust the technology which so fare is the only one that have fulfill all promise that human have craved for.
The ruler of the world is “money”…which all country are bound to it.
Kacou

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Thanks for denouncing my point of view. My point was that much of the world revolves around us whether we like it or not. I'm asking why people haven't gotten off of their addiction to us.

I think it is very arrogant for anyone to say that people should look up to one nation. The modern day western world has a whole host of nations past and present to thank for the civilisation and standards of living that we in the west all enjoy today.

America by its very geography and size has a lot to do with its wealth and advancement and therefore some influence. But it never got there by itself alone ... without pre-american history, America would not exist in its present form.

As for addiction to the US, I dont know where you get that idea from. Addiction in what way? - TV, Films, Religion? What product are we supposed to be addicted to?

Originally posted by Wotan
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As far as I know, unless something seriously happened whilst I was having my tea, the USA does NOT rule the world.

Jeez, there are some arrogant bastards on this forum.

Yeah...major role and RULING are kind of two different things

Anyways...to not completely go haywire, I must say that on a general level, in the past we have helped shape the way of countries and I guess we still want to? There still is a time though when the people all over the world say get out, it might be a good idea to do so. Then again, anything can happen. It is always fun predicting what will happen next, but the roller coaster ride is when that prediction goes wrong

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Addiction... to our money. Your financial system is based on ours. I know that our financial system is flawed. Yet all of you have bought into the idea of kenysian economics much like we did a long time ago and now all of us are dealing with the same credit and banking problems as a result of it. If the rest of you weren't so addicted to the US money system and our ways of doing things then you wouldn't have this problem

Also, you guys seem to not be able to get stuff done without us.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]