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Kind of biased isnt it?
isnt the middle east issue more then fantics

How is showing a guy who is defending himself, biased?



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As if you can tell whether he's defending himself or attacking someone but that's not the point. The point is when we think Middle East most of think about that same basic images of Muslim terrorists.

So I can understand why it seems fairly biased.

have anyone made a statistic or whatsoever on the trigger of these (israeli-palestine issue) hostilities?

not that i want to blame someone, but being an ats member is a privilege, not a right for my understanding and I at least, think that intolerance towards other members is not acceptable. therefore the replays for the triggers are the case to study, and the triggers must be repeated. it almost sounds like a filter or something, but at least it is a just one if applied

please U2U if a statistic has been made and the info is truly statistical, ie: wide spread.

How right you are. We all need to remember, (me included) that true peace does not come out of war. There are always two or more points of view to any dispute, and the only way forward is for the warring parties to put away their armaments and negotiate a settlement which they can live with, and which will bring lasting peace to the region.

Conflict in the Middle East has been going on for centuries, and each war or skirmish arises because the neighbouring countries will not live peacefully with each other. Whatever the historic facts, if they don’t negotiate a lasting settlement, the same disputes will continue for many centuries to come, which will cause death and suffering to many more thousands of people.

ATS is a valuable place for dialogue concerning the rights and wrongs of any given conflict, but just imagine how more positive it would be if, instead of discussing the merits and de-merits of each parties’ case, we could help to find new grounds for discussion which would lead the warring factions to the negotiating table, and help bring about lasting peace.

Now; that would be really be a most positive use of the combined ATS intellect, wouldn’t you say?

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Sir,

At what point, however, does discourse become rated to be hate speech or overtly offensive? Is it the opinion of the moderator? When I first started with ATS back in '04, I believe, I remember that the 1st Amendment was much more firmly defended in relation to posting. I was kicked off in 05 for commenting negatively on the behavior of individuals during the Katrina debacle. Sometimes opinions are going to offend people, thats the beauty of living in this country. I've spent years in Iraq and am not particularly impressed by its culture, what can or can't I say or offer an opinion on? It seems rather oppressive in here lately.

Thank you.

I agree pretty much with what you're saying. But seriously, if anyone sides with Hamas Hezbollah, or Al Qaeda they don't deserve respect

When a member posts intolerant drivel that does not benefit the debate or discussion in any way.



Firstly, the "First Amendment" does not apply here on AboveTopSecret.com... it only applies to the "government" infringing on your ability to freely express your opinions.

However, we have a long and consistent history of being champions of free expression -- within the easily understandable limits of decorum as defined by our terms-and-conditions.

For example -- it may be appropriate to post: "I dislike the [fill-in-the-blank] culture because _______________ is well-documented" -- and it is not appropriate to say something like: "I dislike those damn smelly [fill-in-the-blank]'s because those {expletive} control _____ and have ______". One attempts to engage in meaningful debate while the other simply hurls pointless insults. There are certain "gray areas" and degrees of complexity, but that should give you a general idea of the way in which such intolerance might be measured.



There may be a subtlety that you have not yet mastered. It may be okay to offend people, but it's never okay to be offensive.

I understand your point of view, though I may not agree with it's single-minded intolerance.

One could just as easily say that someone unable to listen and consider any point of view, deserves little, if any, respect.


As participants in a society with aspirations for civility and compassion, we need to understand that the organizations you list have emerged for a reason. While their tactics and rhetoric deserve contempt, we also must consider that desperate people do desperate things for a reason. A closed mind may never learn that reason.

Yes, but many of these organizations exist out of their own religious mandate. Desperation is an obfuscation to conceal their real purpose. When the Koran says, "Kill the infidel wherever you find them", they interpret it literally. Osama Bin Laden isn't desperate, he's loaded. He just believes in the literal application of violence and conquest through Islam. Most of these other organizations believe the same way.

People seem to not use responsibilities with their freedoms! Freedom of speech doesn't mean we can spew hate. I just don't believe that! I'm glad to have Above Top Secret to voice my opinion. Let's not screw it up!

As a Christian, I'm for Israel. That land was given to the Jews by G-d. No man has the right to take it from them. G-d chose Jerusalem as His home on earth. I won't try and take it away from Him! I don't dislike the Palestinians so give them Iran! (joking).

Heard Obama was going to bring Palestinians to America and set them up. Is this true? As a taxpayer, this is wrong! We'll have to foot another of Obama's bills.

The middle East has been at "war" in some form or another for about 4,000 years, the differences then was the number of men and tactics, over the years the machinery of war has improved, ( ) it was not until more recent times that the alliance between the US and the Israelis has tipped the balance.

It is also fair to say that the internet and satellite communications has only now given the world a window on the reality of Gaza. This alone may change the balance, it is one thing to hear about useless rockets fired at Israel, quite another to see mass destruction and a doctor weeping for his family as his house became a target for an Israeli tank.

As I have said before, the Middle East war has been going on for 4,000 years or so, it is unlikely to stop anytime soon.

To cite material written by the Jewish people as some proof that their god "gave it to them" is somewhat foolish, if I took your car and claimed my "god" gave it to me you would be incensed and rightly so.

There are many gods followed by the worlds people, of which the Abrahamic god is but one.