Iran Threatens to Break Israel's Gaza Blockade

reply to post by amfirst

Iran does have something in the middle east that the US does want and that is power.
there may be untold amount of untapped oil reserves all over the place, but trying to open them is now a nightmare with the Global warming alarmest groups protesting if you pass wind at the dinner table.

So Iran wouldn't be the same walk over as the Iraq conflict, Iraq had come out of a war with Iran and then had fight with the US and before they could regroup had sanctions placed on them for years prior to the second invasion.
A angry scout troop could have taken them out at the same pace as the US did. the only difference would be, the scout troop would have already finnished the job and pulled out after teaching the Iraqis about learning to be prepared.

What does this have to do with the aid ship being sent to Gaza? A little off topic eh?

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by amfirst

 

Iran does have something in the middle east that the US does want and that is power.
there may be untold amount of untapped oil reserves all over the place, but trying to open them is now a nightmare with the Global warming alarmest groups protesting if you pass wind at the dinner table.

So Iran wouldn't be the same walk over as the Iraq conflict, Iraq had come out of a war with Iran and then had fight with the US and before they could regroup had sanctions placed on them for years prior to the second invasion.
A angry scout troop could have taken them out at the same pace as the US did. the only difference would be, the scout troop would have already finnished the job and pulled out after teaching the Iraqis about learning to be prepared.

reply to post by princeofpeace

you will also see it was a "reply to", rather than just a random posting.
also Iran could become very involved depending upon the aid being able to get through, The US would get involved because of the Israeli support further opening an even bigger can of worms.

Ginge & Ex_Misltech, thank you!

Whew! Some people have just not done any investigating into this matter. Listen, I was a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Specialist in the U.S. Army back in the 1980's(Cold War Era). I guarded missiles pointed at Moscow(just one of my duties). Anyway, Ex_Misltech knows what he is saying, because if you will do just a little "snooping" on the Net, then you will see what Russia(and China) have been up to militarily just since the turn of this century, and it is scary!!!

Russia now has ICBM's that make our Star Wars system "null and void," plus they have updated their Sub Fleets very recently, and in fact, one group of subs can fire a missile(with 6 warheads attached) from dock as far as 6,000 miles away. Hello? Are you listening? This is for the fellow who thinks that Russia's Navy or China's Navy is nothing to worry about. Well, last year one of our Admirals went to China on a big navy ship to discuss with their leaders why they are building up their military so fast? When our ship arrived, a Chinese sub survaced just a few miles back(was following us), and "WE DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS FOLLOWING OUR SHIP," till it surfaced!!! That is scary!!!! Plus, Poet1b, have you forgotten about Russia's Subs? OMG! Some of the most feared subs in the world! Wake up!!!

Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, and others are "not to be trusted," and if they all gang up on us at once, then load your liquor cabinets, for we will all need a few stiff drinks along the way to get through the crap we are about to face!

~ Lonelypoet

P.S. Ginge, I am glad you think like I do, too!

reply to post by Lonelypoet


I happened to serve in anti-submarine warfare in the eighties, and I don't think you have a clue about what you are trying to talk about.

Russia had a decent submarine fleet, but they didn't contain their nuclear reactors as well as the U.S., which means they don't have nearly as much of a life expectancy. Russia's submarine fleet was shut down at the end of the cold war. An attempt to bring the fleet back into service failed miserably with one of the subs lost about ten years ago now. China never has had a navy to speak of, which is why they have never tried to attack Taiwan, which they would dearly like to do.

Both China and Russia have had considerable trouble with Muslim terrorists. They aren't going to get involved unless there is something for them to gain that would make it worth while. Sure they will sell weapons systems, that way they get field tested. They will mainly watch, make a few offers, throw out some threats, but sit on the side lines.

I guess that China having 35 warships near completion does not count? Or that Russia sent a warship through the Panama Canal recently(first time since World War II), and that Russia has a new fleet of Subs which can do untold damage.

Also, the "Cold War" never ended, for the new flag of Russia is a "facade." Go to, www.warfare.ru and notice the soldier's beret. On that insignia you have a star, with a red field, and the hammer & Sickle(emblem of the U.S.S.R.). The military never ridded itself of this emblem, and there is a reason behind that, and that is Russia is still following her old ways. Putin is a "dictator," and anyone denying that has their head buried somewhere. He as Prime Minister made himself to have more power than the president, and he even chose his replacement, so wasn't that convenient in a supposed democratic society? I am not saying Russia or China will attack soon, but I am saying that within the next 3 1/2 - 4 years, we better watch out!

People tickle me, for if anyone would have predicted "911" just months before it happened, they would have been laughed out of the country, for no one would have believed it possible. So, here we go again, people not believing that Russia and China could do some damage. China has the world's largest Air Force, Russia is planning an air-base in Cuba, so how could we turn a blind-eye to what is going on under our noses?!!

The Cold War never ended, and both Russia and China are not to be trusted!

~ Lonelypoet

Where's this Iranian ship?

This is going to be interesting, if it dose show up at Gaza!

Oh, I bet that ship shows up, and I bet that Iran is hoping that it is attacked, just so they will have an "excuse" to get their noses right in the middle of this. You watch!

Well, lets see...

You have the US being deliberately ignorant of what is going on, or blocking progress to stop it.
You have the United Nations holding elaborate and lengthy meetings while hundreds more die.
You have Britain sitting back and tutting, neutered bunnies that our government is.
You have Europe on the whole doing the same as Britain, while offering a lot of ideas and encouraging comments about a ceasefire.

The only real action I've seen so far is Venezuela removing the Israeli Ambassador.

We need at least one nation to actually do something beyond making fancy statements and suggestions. They're all jumping on the bandwagon of calling it "terrible" while actually doing very little.

I would prefer that it not be Iran to go in, but if that's what it takes to bring about some peace to the people in Gaza, it's worth the risk.

Now, the question is, what will America do? Stop them?
Would America risk looking like such an evil nation, stopping aid getting to people who need it?

I'll certainly be watching this unfold.
And I'll hope that Israel sees sense and allows aid to be delivered by Iran.

reply to post by Odessy


I'm shocked and stunned that anyone still believes this BS after all the evidence to the contrary.

Israel is killing hundreds of innocent people in their effort to end "Hamas".

While doing so they are breaking international laws and therefore committing war crimes.

These are facts, not propaganda, not down to debate or translation, these are facts.

Originally posted by Lonelypoet
Oh, I bet that ship shows up, and I bet that Iran is hoping that it is attacked, just so they will have an "excuse" to get their noses right in the middle of this. You watch!

Yeah, but Iran knows if it dose do anything to Israel, then thats when America will take notice of the situation and start something with Iran. Iran dosen't want war with America because they know they will be invaded just like Iraq. They will no doubt put a better fight up than iraq did. Plus Israel will also start something with Iran also. I can see the UK being dragged into it as well!

Remember Iran is surrounded by America and the UK on land and at sea! They would be mental to start anything!

source

An Iranian aid ship, destined for Palestinians, has reportedly entered Egyptian waters and scheduled to dock at the port of Gaza on Saturday.

Now only time will tell.

Well,
from what I can see is that Hamas is using the people as canon fodder.
they are connected to Iran and everything would play according to there plan.

Israel is falling right in to Iran's ultimate chess game. And Amadinajad will have his way,and of the return of the great Madi.

This will set forth a chain reaction......The Bible tells us of these things.

i have a good solution:
-Invade Iran
-Let the Israeli's and Palestinians live in peace in Israel together under the Elected government

You know, Im sick of all this pussy-footing around. Gaza is a genocide in the making. How many more 3 foot body bags with kids in them do we need to see?. Iran, for whatever reason are going to deliver aid. Good for them.

What is more important is that the Israelis with the backing of big brother America need to be stopped. Not, because it may cause ww3, but because they deserve all they get. I hope I live to see the day when Israel pay the price for their trip into Gaza. I say "well done" to the Iranians for what they are doing for the people of Gaza.

Respects

So where is this ship? Is it today thats its supposed to be at Gaza?

Forget the ship, for now Isreal is telling Gaza to brace for an escalation of war! My word! Now if Israel holds to its word on this, then there is no telling what might happen next as far as others getting involved.

~ Lonelypoet

Originally posted by 5seawarrior5
i have a good solution:
-Invade Iran
-Let the Israeli's and Palestinians live in peace in Israel together under the Elected government

Wow... what a good solution! Invade Iran... right. And... may you tell us please who will do it, how it would be done and what good would come out of it? And of course... please show me how can iran be invaded by land like iraq without it being a carnage to the invaders.

Iran is not Iraq. And Iran has friends in high places.

But feel free to share your kamikaze thoughts...

EDIT: Oh and dont forget that if Iran was just a baloon of hot air with some crazy kids with water pistols the US would have taken measures against them by now... like they did with Iraq. But... theres much more to Iran than meets the eye it seems.

[edit on 11-1-2009 by MilitieTempliSalmo]

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This breaking news suits to here... To those who sees Iran-war will bring something good - and "Iran is just Iran" - Think about this!

Foreign ministers of Iran and China discuss Gaza crisis
TEHRAN, Jan. 11 (ISNA)-Foreign Ministers of Iran and China reviewed Gaza Strip developments and the ways to aid the war-torn region on Sunday.
www.isna.ir...

- And how China sees what is happening in Middle East?

The raging war in Gaza that has become the Killing Fields of the Middle East bears witness to the truth of Samuel Huntington's warning, which the late Harvard political scientist raised 16 years ago, that people's cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world.

www.chinapost.com.tw...

Just think about it.