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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:03 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by Ginge
reply to post by Lonelypoet

I agree with you lonelypoet, we should all be preparing for the worst.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Ginge]

Indeed...

The Russians are preparing for the worst, and even in the economic
downturn they poured billions into finishing this:

Yamantau - WW3 bunker for 60,000+ in Russia

It is designed to take 6 target on target nuclear weapons strikes
and survive it.

Ppl like to laugh at the Russian bombers but they don't carry bombs
anymore, they carry this thing:

Kh-102 - Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missile

Newer and more stealthy version have been made as well.

This is a first strike weapon as far as I can see it.

The fact that the top Russian General gets on Russian TV and
starts ranting about the US missile shield and how Russia is now
going to the policy of preemptive nuclear strike ....

Top Russian General declares new policy of Pre-emptive nuclear strike

Any single piece can be considered a one off, but after awhile it
starts to pile on and you kinda want to pinch yourself to wake
up from the nightmare.

But you are awake, and this is real.

Damn few ppl seem to be giving it a moments notice.

If these former soviet Bloc countries keep tweaking the bear
with missile shield radars and missiles, and western cooperation
and refusing to pay their gas bill like the Ukraine, and then
holding the gas hostage and turning it off to Europe.

Russia is going to get incredibly pissed.

Putin has made his feelings clear on Ukraine joining NATO.

Putin threatens to aim nuclear warheads at Ukraine if they join NATO

This whole natural gas thing is literally more fuel on the fire.

This whole deal of former soviet Bloc members getting US bases,
and US radar, and US planes has made Russia very upset.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:39 AM by citizen smith

At the risk of sounding stupid and asking a sensible objective question related to the OP:

Is there any information 'out there' on the aid ship...size/name of vessel, navigation route, etc?

As I pointed out, Gaza doesnt have any kind of deep-water mooring or mass-tonnage cargo handling (if you look up the harbour on GE you can see it packed full of small coastal fishing vessels)

So how is the ship, if its a large one, meant to dock if there are no tugs to assist?

Or aid meant to be unloaded once the Iranian ship reaches its destination?

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:24 AM by airteck

Source

IRAN SHAHED
IMO NUMBER 9184691
VESSEL TYPE CARGO
HULL TYPE SINGLE HULL
GROSS TONNAGE 2.615 tons
SUMMER DWT 3.480 tons
BUILD 1999
BUILDER TILLE SHIPYARD KOOTSTERTILLE - NETHERLANDS
FLAG IRAN
MANAGER/OWNER VALFAJR SHIPPING TEHRAN - IRAN
INSURER STEAMSHIP MUTUAL UNDERWRITING U.K.
VESSEL DETAILS CLASSIFICATION LAST SPECIAL SURVEY 2001 Apr 30 GENERIC
SPEED 15,0 knots
DIMENSIONS BREADTH EXTREME 15,85 m
BREADTH MOULDED 15,85 m
DEPTH 6,15 m
DRAUGHT 4,88 m
FREEBOARD 1.274,0 mm
LENGTH B/W PERPENDICULARS 84,95 m
LENGTH OVERALL 92,75 m TONNAGES
NET TONNAGE 1.226 tons
LOADLINE FREEBOARD (SUMMER) 1.274,0 mm
CAPACITIES BUNKER 221,00 tons
CARGO CARGO HANDLING 2 CRANES 40 T
CARGO HOLDS 1 STRUCTURE
HULL MATERIAL STEEL
WATERTIGHT COMP. 5 ENGINE
ENGINE BUILDER WARTSILA HELSINKI - FINLAND
ENGINE BUILT YEAR 1.998
ENGINE POWER 3.245 KW
INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE (1) 4T - 8 CYL - 32.00 X 35.00 AT 750 RPM
PROPELLING SYSTEM 1 SCREW PROPELLER CONTROLLABLE PITCH LB 10.00 AT 220 RPM
PROPELLING TYPE DIESEL
COMMUNICATION CALL SIGN 9BHI HISTORICAL INFO DATE OF ORDER 1998 Jan 01
PLACE OF BUILT KOOTSTERTILLE NETHERLANDS YARD NUMBER 320

This is the best I can find for detailed info. It is also listed on the US SDN list of blocked vessels. I'm sure Israel would do the same.

Blocked vessels are being segregated into a separate section on the Master list of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons. Banks are now instructed to reject any funds transfer referencing a blocked vessel and must notify OFAC, via facsimile with a copy of the payment instructions, that funds have been returned to remitter due to the possible involvement of an SDN vessel in the underlying transaction. Banks must contact OFAC's Compliance Programs Division for further instructions should the name of an SDN vessel appear in shipping documents presented under a letter of credit or if noticed in a documentary collection. SDN vessels must themselves be physically blocked should they enter U.S. jurisdiction. Freight forwarders and shippers may not charter, book cargo on, or otherwise deal with SDN vessels.

IRAN SHAHED; Vessel Registration Identification IMO 9184691 (vessel) [NPWMD]

source

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:56 AM by citizen smith

reply to post by airteck

Excellent research work, thanks

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:10 AM by muzzleflash

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by eldudirino

It would hardly be an 'excuse'. If Iran attacks Israel, the US has every right to support its ally, just as any nation would have a right to support an ally that was attacked.

That's why this is a stupid idea by the Iranians. It could lead to a further escalation of the situation, which is bad for everyone.

screw that lol

let iran and israel duke it out on their own lets just sit back and watch IMO

id love for both of them to get it over with

i dont know how they would accomplish it tho, since they are not very close to each other

oh well, it was a nice hypothetical situation, too bad its nearly impossible LOGISTICALLY

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 12:05 PM by whatsup

I have lost ALL respect with Israel as a result of this latest inquisition. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE in their contemptuous treatment of innocent civilians (any more than there has been our treatment of innocent Iraqi civilians). None of these civilians have had any control of hamas in this area! As I have asked repeatedly: What is the point in fighting terrorism if you yourself become one (Huh USA and Israel? How about it??).

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 12:33 PM by turbokid

Originally posted by whatsup
As I have asked repeatedly: What is the point in fighting terrorism if you yourself become one (Huh USA and Israel? How about it??).

didnt you know? its only terrorism if its against us. if its one of the many terror groups we fund and support against iran for example, then its just fine.

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 12:54 PM by ufoorbhunter

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

Yes I'm with you 100% on this one. USA is completely taking the piss re Russia. End of Cold War? Kak is it, USA pushing into ex Eastern Bloc, next step into ex Soviet Republics themselves. USA didn't stick to its side of the agreement, they have pushed hard against a Russia paranoid after losing tens of millions in World Wars. America needs to understand............. Russia has its sphere of influence too. I would love to see how Americans would feel when Canada and Mexico suddenly go Russian, agree to Russian 'advisors' on their territory, join a Warsaw type Pact, take delivery of Russian weapons and agree to a missile defence shield on their territory. Then Texas and Florida go independent! Even better Russian 'advisors' and equipment flow into Texas and Florida, oh and now California is going independent too!

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 05:00 PM by princeofpeace

Back to the actual topic. The ship was due to arrive on January 6th. Does anyone know if it has shown up?

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 08:22 PM by princeofpeace

Nothing eh? ANother Iranian bluff or empty promise? Their brothers need aid, why tease them so?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:23 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by eldudirino

It would hardly be an 'excuse'. If Iran attacks Israel, the US has every right to support its ally, just as any nation would have a right to support an ally that was attacked.

That's why this is a stupid idea by the Iranians. It could lead to a further escalation of the situation, which is bad for everyone.

screw that lol

let iran and israel duke it out on their own lets just sit back and watch IMO

id love for both of them to get it over with

i dont know how they would accomplish it tho, since they are not very close to each other

oh well, it was a nice hypothetical situation, too bad its nearly impossible LOGISTICALLY

Several years ago the US gave Israel several billion dollars, which
they turned around and used to buy F-15 Strike Eagles designed
to carry extra fuel tanks that put them in range of Iran.

We also sold them Bunkbuster bombs as well, the big 5,000 lb.
monsters that will go down about 110 ft. before detonating by
using a 8" howitzer barrel as the outer casing.

The first foreign sale of the GBU-28 was the acquisition of 100 units by Israel, authorized in April 2005.[6] Delivery of the weapons was accelerated at the request of Israel in July 2006. According to Israeli Military sources, Hezbollah puts their rocket launchers in bunkers and fortifications underground. [7]

On 28 December 2008, Israel also dropped a number of GBU-28 bunker-buster bombs on Hamas smuggling tunnels in the Philadelphi strip between Egypt and Gaza. [8], 29 December 2008

Whitney Raas and Austin Long, Osirak Redux? Assessing Israeli Capabilities to Destroy Iranian Nuclear Facilities, MIT Security Studies Program Working Paper, April 2006.

First sale of the GBU-28 to a foreign power was Israel

It's a beast of a bomb.

The long range F-15 Strike Eagle sale with extra fuel capacity changes
the equation on them being able to strike in Iran.

ATS refuses to format this hyperlink below correctly so I did this..
the damn smiley keeps coming up even with smiley disabled...

"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File(semi-colon here)DF-ST-92-07383-C.jpg"

Also keep in mind in flight refueling, which the F-15 can do.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:32 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Back to the actual topic. The ship was due to arrive on January 6th. Does anyone know if it has shown up?

It may have been delayed in the canal for legit or not so legit reasons.

They will prolly require an inspection for it to pass thru the Canal too
due to what was recently found on the boat the Somalia pirates
captured.

Somali pirates seize iranian ship and die after handling cargo

If that does turn out to be chemical weapons on that ship, then that
could put Iran in a bad spot.

And all the more reason to inspect this current ship VERY carefully.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 04:54 AM by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

I would love to see how Americans would feel when Canada and Mexico suddenly go Russian, agree to Russian 'advisors' on their territory, join a Warsaw type Pact, take delivery of Russian weapons and agree to a missile defence shield on their territory. Then Texas and Florida go independent! Even better Russian 'advisors' and equipment flow into Texas and Florida, oh and now California is going independent too!

I agree, Russia carried the weight of WW2 did most of the killing
on the Allied side, and most of the dying.

The stats are all there for any who care to read them on Wikipedia.

The cold war supposedly ended just 20 years ago.

Russia is going to need a little more time before we start sticking
military installations on their doorstep.

Also by not letting them inspect the facilities it sent a bad message
as well if they are truly only for defensive methods.

Some ppl say timing is everything, right now with all the former
soviet states declaring independence it is not a good time to
tweak the bear that is feeling cornered.

I served in the US forces, had beer with Russians in Toulon France,
and they are human beings just like the rest of us.

Leaders on both sides do questionable things, but when it comes
down to it we could park defensive missiles further from Russia
and still achieve our goal.

If Ukraine goes into NATO and they start the missile shield radar or
even worse some of the missiles it will not sit very well with moscow.

Top Russian General says Russia is now on poilcy of preemptive Nuclear Strike

Russian warns it could strike poland over US missile shield

Russia tells Ukraine to stay out of NATO

The top brass in Russia have made this abundantly clear.

They have been preparing for a worst case scenario.

Yamantau - Nuclear Bunker for 60,000+ in Russia

Even during the economic hard times this thing has been rushed
to completion.

To deny their posture is blind at best, intentional global reset at worst.

The Georgia Guidestones - calling for 6.2 billion dead

This falls right in line with many books put out by followers of the
Club of Rome and Committee of 300 with their words of ....
"carrying capacity" ... You can find some of these thoughts
in books like "limits to growth", etc etc.

The committee of 300 conspiracy

Club of Rome linked to Bilderberg

One of their followers had the cojones to carve it in stone and stick
it on a hill for all to see, 6.2 billion need to get off their ride...

I am ready, and everyone needs to be...don't resist, just get ready
to hide VERY well and underground.

Good Luck to you all !

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 05:08 AM by Ex_MislTech

reply to post by airteck

Good info find , starred !

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 10:46 AM by citizen smith

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

I distinctly remember a news-thread on ATS from last year (but for the life of me can't find it in the archives) of a couple of similar incidents, one involving at least two F-15/-18s crashing into the sea during naval carrier excercise in the Persian Gulf.

What struck me was that it may have been a practice run for an end-mission carrier landing for the Israeli jets that were to make the Natanz bomb-run.

Makes some kind of sense as it would mean a shorter trip than flying into Iraninan territory and all the way back home.

Any thoughts?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 10:56 AM by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by Truther

The Iranians can not get to Gaza by boat or ship. The Israelis and the Americans would never allow it. If Iran seeks world conflict and the US blowing them out of the water before Bush leaves office I suggest they try it.

If Iran is smart they would sit back and do nothing til Bush/Cheney leaves office cause those two boys are looking for a way to get the U.S. into Iran now, Iran need not give them the reason!

I think it depends heavily on Irans goals.

If Iran's goals is to "stand up to the aggressor" and thereby get others to do it with them. Then martyrdom works in their favor.

Just imagine the unleashing of hatred and anger towards the west if an Iranian Humanitarian mission (regardless of real intent) were destroyed.

I dunno... I think Iran has lots of leverage here, but I don't think they really have the ball$ to pull it off.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:35 AM by princeofpeace

Back to the actual topic at hand. Where is this ship? Was suppose to arrive in Gaza yesterday. Is Iran just spouting off again? Where is the aid for their muslim brothers?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:04 PM by princeofpeace

So nothing else on this? Does the OP have any updated information on where this ship is?

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 06:27 PM by airteck

I have done extensive searching into the whereabouts of the Iranian cargo ship with no luck in finding its status. If there is any information regarding it's route or departure info, it's probably in another language I haven't been able to search/translate in.

I will keep checking to see if something comes up.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:52 PM by statickitt3n

From what I've read it was supposed to arrive between the 6th and the 7th, so it may be there later today. But we really don't know what kind of weather conditions it's encountered on it's trip. It should be exciting to see none the less when the ship arrives, because I am positive that Israel is going to destroy it. Then the fireworks shall really fly!