I'm sick of the war! And I'm ashamed of my fellow ATS members. , page 1
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:03 AM by racegunz
reply to post by SLAYER69


You know after reading your passionate thread I could only think of the millions of unborn children the world slaughters at the alter of choice called abortion every year, that's another subject that inflames sides like few others. I'll say it again "people suck" that sums it up!


reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:05 AM by SkepticOverlord
We are, and always will be, a free-flowing (within the T&C) environment for discussing issues our members feel are vitally important and/or interesting. From time to time, highly energized issues for which many members feel passion become highly visible due to current events in the news... or developments within the general "conspiracy theory" culture.

Unfortunately, "highly energized" comes nowhere close to describing the multitude of facets (both historic and contemporary) that involve this most recent conflict in the middle east. In reality, of the type of people who would frequent AboveTopSecret.com both to read and to post, those without a highly-passionate opinion on the subject will be rare. The conflict combines all the best-and-worst of conspiracies, religion, race, and imperialism... a perfect-storm of millions of different emotional points-of-view.

From time to time, we've injected policies that make an effort to control over-the-top contributions from members who are passionately charged on various topics (the 9/11 forum for example). We may need to take some type of similar action in this regard... especially if it seems this turns into a longer-term point of discussion.


Certainly no wars can be won through online discussion.

Rarely will passionate opinions of religion and race be solved through online discussion.

But discussion is better than no discussion as the astute can learn volumes even from the most self-centered and biased contributions. We need to do our best to keep each other engaged in productive discussions so that we and others may learn from our contributions. For most of us, it's all we can do... but then, gaining new learning from each other is no small thing.


reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:07 AM by XXXN3O
reply to post by SLAYER69


I am actually surprised by this topic being so huge all of a sudden.

Ive been reading about it for years and there was never such a steamrolling thread bashing manic drive to go berserk at each other on ATS. I personally blame the media agenda but I am in no way saying that this is the case just my view which I know some might not agree with.

I agree with you and the others that can see both sides as I think that is paramount before attempting to discuss any topic as without an attempt at a neutral viewpoint it will only lead to more of the same bashings.

Good to see a peacemaker.




reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:10 AM by jibeho
reply to post by greeneyedleo


Great point! I made the mistake of casually mentioning the recent Gaza conflict during a New Years Eve Party. Oops!! My wife quickly diverted the conversation to avoid a major debate/argument with a friend who happened to side the the Palestinians. It was a close call.

Perhaps my judgment was foggy due to a couple of glasses of really smooth scotch. Thanks to my wing man (wifey) for averting disaster.


reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:12 AM by theindependentjournal
reply to post by SLAYER69


The problem is simple to put into words though. It is about Ignorance and Hatred.

The Israelis do NOT kill for their God nor do they kill all Arabs ask any Jordanian or Egyptian if Israel will live in peace with arabs?

Then lets look at the Palestinians shall we? No state because they refused since 47, they do this because no state means no official group to hold responsible, same thing with Al Queada and the world right now, we can not attack a NATION over the Al Qeuada hence no real Nation enemy...

Palestinians do say to wipe Israel off the map, palestinians still have no map with Israel on it and they have lots of support in the Jew Haters, I say that because I can not believe for one minute if the Palestinians were bombing say Canada or America or France or Australia that anyone in the world wold say the pals are right as they do when its Israel. Jew Haters side with anyone including terrorists which has been shown and proven as fact over this very conflict.

You can hate both sides or none all you want, but tell me one nation that palestine could ROCKET the civilians of that the world wouldn't say get them for their actions besides Israel?

This is not about right or wrong, it is not even about pals or terrorist palestine, this is about the age old hatred of Jews. This is clearly another attempt at the anti-semites to try to rid the world of Jewry. And although I know they will continue to try til the BIG JEW Jesus Christ returns and stops it all. The problem is so many of these people claim Christ while hating the Jews, your Savior is and was a JEW...

I will make one more statement, The day that palestinians want peace they will get rid of the terror groups leading them and they will GET PEACE THEN and not one day sooner. When Palestinians want their children to live in peace they will remove terrorists and their children WILL LIVE IN PEACE...

All one must do to see the truth here is see how and what Israel did with Jordan and Egypt after their wars, did Israel say screw you and continue the war or did Israel give land for peace and then honor that agreement?

Israel offered that same deal, land for peace, to palestine but every time they are met with rockets and turning down of the peace plan, so only the Jew Hater could see Israel as the problem here and it makes the Jew Haters look stupid when they say such things as Mason Watcher has spewed on here.

Fair is Fair and Right is Right and no one that doesn't hate Jews outright can see palestinian bombing of Israeli towns as anything but a terrorist act and an act that Israel must counter...

[edit on 1/5/2009 by theindependentjournal]


reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:18 AM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by SLAYER69


Well said slayer, if people continue fighting over imaginary lines in the sand, things will never get better. Pointing the finger and placing blame will only compound the problem.

Both of these groups need to grow up and find a diplomatic solution to they're destructive ways.

P.S > I'm pretty dissapointed in the human race as a whole at the moment as well.
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