Some questions about 2012 and the galactic alignment.

I explain the whole alignment/plane transgression issue here:

Planetary / Galactic Alignment

Essentially most of the 2012 theories based around "alignment" are just bad science. Our solar system does "bob" up and down across the galactic plane, but this happens slowly over a long period of time. It is however slowly getting "smoothed out" by our AGN's gravitational pull. This "bobbing" is caused by the higher concentration of dense gas and specifically dark matter in the Galactic Plane which accelerates us towards it, then decelerates us once we pass through it redirecting our path once again towards the Galactic Plane; just for clarification, for some.

- Maban

I am not a believer of this 2012 stuff, but I will answer this,



Recollect the schrodingers wave equation which you would have surely studied in high school.

According to the wave equation, particles have a wave nature in them, and this is significant in application to sub atomic particles like electrons and protons, and not seen in day to day life because of the size, but, we see this, in the movement of stars around the galaxy.

schrodingers wave equation

Actually, no. Schrodinger's equation only applies to electrons as waves (as you can see if you read the math in the Wikipedia article you cited). It does not apply in stellar physics or indeed any particles with mass (as it says in the article.)

Stellar motion is a fairly complex dance, affected by the center of mass of the galaxy, any galaxies it is currently colliding with, motion induced from past collisions, and the motions of the stars are all affected by these plus the interactions of their own solar systems. What you see is a result of a 13 billion year history of motion.

It's not the same type of motion as electrons.

Maban, you just saved me from typing the same sort of thing in a much longer fashion!



We are constantly "aligned" with the center of the galaxy.

You can try this experiment for yourself. Next time you're in a parking lot, look towards a light pole (pick one). Now, move around the parking lot. You can even stand on top of the car. Are you ever OUT of alignment with that car (in other words, if you crouch down or hop up are you ever in a position where you can't point to where that light pole is)?

Nope.

Same with the center of the galaxy.

What the Mayans meant (and their astronomy was excellent) was that when you look into the night sky and see the Milky Way, there is a dark band running across it (the dust in the center of the galaxy.) This dust band is at different positions in relation to the sun at sunrise throughout the year. In 2012, the dust band will align with the place where the sun rises on December 12.

And that's all it means. This year it was in perfect alignment on December 10th or 11th. 30 years ago, it was in perfect alignment much earlier in the year.

Hi Nixie

Hi there,

I have been investigating and writing on 2012 for several years and will do my best to help out in this new 2012 Forum. There are precious few ‘experts’ in the 2012 field, and I will not claim to be one of them!

Over time I will throw plenty of links in.

1. Is there any actual proof by astro scientists that the GA is happening. I ask this because I have done research and I have not found much on it other then it is a theory.

If you have links, that would be great.

Bruce: There is much talk of a Galactic alignment, even a galactic eclipse (History Channel). My research reveals that both are inaccurate terms. What we have is in fact a Galactic conjunction, which was at nearest to recognizable centre during 1998-9. This has nothing to do with matching up with the Maya calendar as suggested by other here. We do have modern astronomers and a Gregorian calendar that they are well used to using!
The problem with ideas of a galactic centre is that we are talking about a very vague concept. The Galaxy has a centre of rotation, a centre of mass, and a central black-hole. These are not exactly the same thing. The centre of the galaxy is also a huge region of space and to say we align to it is rather vague as it’s a ‘bit’ like holding a pin head up to our own sun and saying that its aligned to the centre of our solar system. There is more to it than that but this gives an idea of the problems involved with calling it an alignment. The correct description is that during a 36 year window of time, centered at 1998, the winter solstice sun-rise is conjunct with the area we believe to be the centre of our galaxy.

Feel free to question more on this if required.

2. What forces cause this to happen. What is driving the solar system up and down through the Milky Way?

Now does it go from the very top to the very bottom? Or does it just flex from the alignment up or vice versa(I hope that makes sense)

Bruce: This is a misunderstanding by many people that we are talking about the solar system moving up and down through the galactic equator. That is a different process and we are millions of years from the next occurrence. What we are dealing with is the precession of the equinox, a 26,000 year cycle of the poles through the 12/13 star signs of the zodiac.

What makes this precession happen is the equatorial wobble. It is a slights anomaly in the axial spin of our planet. Google it for full details.

3. If this phenomenon occurs every 26,000 years, and it causes the world to go nutty, is there geological evidence of chaos every 26,000 years?

Humans have been on the Earth for millions of years. So obviously we have survived this a few times. I remember some geneticists saying that at one point, there was a bottleneck in human genetics. Meaning that there was a sudden decline in human population to only a small number. I don't know when this happened, but I am wondering if this happened after a GA?

That is kinda number 4.

Bruce: well the mid point of approx 13,000 years is when we get the phenomena known as the great cross, or the conjunction. So we need to look in divisions of around that length not the full 26,000 only. There is geological evidence of an event around 12,500 years ago. See the detailed research of researchers like Graham Hancock and Rand Flem-Ath amongst others. Numerous sunken ruins have been found worldwide that would last have been above water just prior to that time. Check out the Indian city recently discovered for a good example.

Humans have been around a long time for sure. Unfortunately human evidence in the period 26,000 years ago is very slim. We do know that population size globally has gone up and down radically in the ancient past. Until more evidence is available we have to make best guess or rely on our own intuition of data available.

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5. Why does the GA have an effect? And why would we feel the effects recently only a few years before the GA? Wouldn't we have started feeling effects hundreds of years ago?

Bruce:If the effect is subtle, such as an effect of consciousness or cell division (genetic mutation) then it may well have begun some time ago. It may, in fact more likely, be continues but like bio-rhythms would have peaks and troughs. The peak coinciding with these galactic conjunctions for some reason as yet still speculated on. The why all of this is still a matter for debate and research within the 2012 community.

6. And what makes this GA so special? lets say that humans of been on teh earth for 2 million years. That means we have effectively survived a GA 77 times, so why would this time bring about particular destruction?

Bruce:Modern humans seem to have been around for less time than that, humanoids have been around for a vast period certainly. Earth history is littered with catastrophe. One thing that is certain is numerous catastrophes do really occur and will occur again; there is no doubt of that at all. The connection between these and the galactic conjunctions remains to be seen in entirety.

Bruce @ 2012rising.com...

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Dosen't the Alignment mean, Black Hole (center of Galaxy) Sun and Earth lined up!
Hence the the forces from the B/Hole having a reaction on our sun which in turn effects the earth?..NASA has already said the the Sun will be giving off the maximum solar activity around the 21st DEC 2012 date...and at the moment the Sun isn't giving any off solar activity.

To say "Nothing" will happen on or around 2012 is just plain arrogant! and i say this because the people saying it DON'T KNOW for a FACT nothing will happen.
Just look at some of the evidence that something "Might" happen on or around 2012, lets take the Weather for one,
tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanoes, large waves at sea.
Ok so these weather conditions arnt nothing new to us, but now they put SUPER or MEGA in front of them, Yellowstone would be a MEGA SUPER Volcano (thats making rumblings at the moment)
These things have been told will happen in ancient texts, and the weather were having now is just one factor.

I dont Honestly know what if anything "will" happen on or around 2012, but there IS enough evidence for an educated mine to think there is at least the very real "possibility" that "Something" could happen.

So to sum it up, don't believe what "anyone" Say's is fact or fiction in Post's or Forums like this about the GA or 2012...because everyone is a "wanna-be" expert who is just guessing and relaying their own "opinion"
You really need to do your "OWN" research and make up your own mind as to what may or may not happen on or around 2012 and the GA.
Some of the posts i DO agree with, but thats because i have researched all this myself, and "I" believe something could happen.

Its the end of the World "AS WE KNOW IT"...
"NOT" the End of the World
Don't give into FEAR!!!!!!!

Well, firstly, it is known that the universe is expanding, much like a balloon does when air is pumped into it. Given this fact, it stands to reason that thesolar systems and galaxies are expanding with it.

Expanding universe

I think your talking about planetary shift into the milky way? Rather then galactic alignment. Here are just a few things that may help you.

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Link2

Those 2 links should help some. Just make sure next time to look up what your really talking about since GA happens 2 times a year.

Now if you actually do a search with google you can find out that some of the planets have already had physical pole shifts. Due to the fact that they are already sliding into the planetary shift. So yeah there is a big difference. As well as global warming happening on some of the planets.

Probably the best descriptive website out there on the "alignment" taking place 2012: Bibliotecapleyades.net

As you can see, we're already partially aligned, and everything is just peachy (everything is peachy, isn't it?)

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It seems to me that all this talk of 2012 stems only from the Mayan prophecy and calendar. They are the only source that gives a particular day and date. They of course were great observers of the sun and sunspot cycles and it is interesting that we are now talking about solar maxims on that day. However the most interesting thing, to me anyway, is when you look at the date for the beginning of this age that is, 3114bc there seems to be evidence of a world wide event occurring. Evidence for this comes from dendrochronology, ice core samples and some other geophysical sciences. There is also the various culture changes that seemed to have happened all around the world around this time. Who knows? Perhaps the Mayans were on to something!

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The Mayans didnt have a prophecy on 2012..the calendars worked in cycles,the next cycle ends in 2012 and we enter the age of aquarius..then the cycle starts all over again.They were calendar crazy and had one for numerous different things.

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Thanks, I stand corrected!

Creationist scientists may have stated a population decline tying in with the ARK fairytale. No the Bible said 8 people left so thats another fairy tail. Also your theory on how population growth works is WAT OUT!

I recall that May 5th 2000 we had a solar system allignment, this was supposed to be the end of the world bringing earth shattering gravitational forces ripping the earths crust apart, plus many other theories aswell.
As you know this did not happen.

Here is a scary link
www.tkcs-collins.com...

Here is a factual link
nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...