Regardless of who's right and who's wrong in this particular conflict, I think everyone is missing the bigger picture.

The reason why many on ATS (myself included) seem anti-Israel is not because of their current attacks on Palestinians (whether justified or not). My beef with the whole ordeal is why the state of Israel thinks that they deserve the land more than the Palestinians. How would you feel if any particular group of people that don't have a place of their own lay claim to property that your friends, family, village, city, and even country have owned and lived on peacefully for hundreds of years?

On top of that, the American government continues to take the stand that Israel is one of our best allies. I personally don't see any reason whatsoever for us to be such great allies with a country where we don't have anything in common with them other than supplying weapons and training their military so they can create conflicts and defend themselves from the people who rightfully own the land.

I think what a lot of people are getting at is the way Israel has turned into the very people that wiped nearly 80% of them out of Europe. They are using propaganda and state sponsored terrorism to justify there expansions into Palestinian territory. For people to throw in comments about the JDL and getting ATS Sued, the posts here are not the opinion of the site or its owners but the individual posters therefore ATS have no case to answer. This is the western world and we have freedom of speech we can voice our opinions as we see fit, as long as it is constructive and not racist. And believe me I am the last person in the world that would defend any Muslim state as I work very closely with the British Armed forces and have seen a lot of good men lost in a pointless war by martyrs to Allah. I had to call a father whose 19 year old marine son had been killed in a roadside bombing and explain what insurance he had and the fathers options, I detest mistreatment of people and imperialism wherever I see it.

We are for sure living today in a scrwed up world.
Why is this subject with the Jewish people so sensitive, like they are some sort of babies and no one dare say anything, they are just people like everyone else, and just like everyone else they can take the blame.
I have no respect for Israel as a state for what it's doing, why is it so hard for people to accept that? Some jews are evil, there I said it, and some are not.Can't excuse the ones that are , because they are what they are.

If it was another country in to focus, then people would do the same and debate on the problems there in that country, but it's Israel, so people debate on what is going on today. There is a war going on today and I have nothing to chear about what Israel is doing there. I aplaud the Jews that were against killing children.They have my respect.

It comes to down to this...any time you criticize the extremist Israeli state, you immediately get labeled an anti-semite.

I don't hate Jews, the only thing I hate is zionism.

It's a religious battle. It's a crusade. Has been since 1947 when the world, using guilt as an excuse and religious belief as a reason decided that it was time for the Jews to come home.

They came from all over the world to claim land that Palestinians lived and worked for generations.

I don't know how or why so-called civilized people get it into their heads that this could have been a good idea.

Maybe it's my Native American side that allows for this point of view.

It's not the jews, it's not the palestinians, it's the insanity of the PTB that got the world this mess. The guilty parties aren't even engaged in the war that was wrought through their own misguided notions.

The only way to stop it is for everybody to just stop and work with the consequences this insanity has left us with. We've got a long way to go but it isn't impossible. Stop hating. Start understanding. Have compassion and forgive.

Originally posted by Majorion
It comes to down to this...any time you criticize the extremist Israeli state, you immediately get labeled an anti-semite.

I don't hate Jews, the only thing I hate is zionism.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that's true. I challenge you to find one rational, sentient, reasoned argument criticizing the Israel state posted on these boards, which has been met by an accusation of anti-semitism that has been upheld by those moderating the forum.

And if someone does call you anti-semitic without reason, you should draw the attention of the mods to the person who falsely accuses you.

LW

I hope they destroy each other
The only thing im fearful of is the war expanding and involving others.
Also, to "theindpendentjournal" if you put a protective shell over any Nation (regardless of their race,) like youre doing with Israel, you will open up the possibilities of them being able to do anything and getting away with it. Just because people have a problem with a country and its Govt doesnt mean theyre a Racist.
Personally, im getting tired of having to walk on eggshells every time theres a thread about Israel.
Reporting it to the ADL huh? lol
I recall a thread about Africa a little while back, I didnt see you screaming about that and reporting it to the NAACP or some other world organization.

Originally posted by fonyx
Regardless of who's right and who's wrong in this particular conflict, I think everyone is missing the bigger picture.

The reason why many on ATS (myself included) seem anti-Israel is not because of their current attacks on Palestinians (whether justified or not). My beef with the whole ordeal is why the state of Israel thinks that they deserve the land more than the Palestinians. How would you feel if any particular group of people that don't have a place of their own lay claim to property that your friends, family, village, city, and even country have owned and lived on peacefully for hundreds of years?

On top of that, the American government continues to take the stand that Israel is one of our best allies. I personally don't see any reason whatsoever for us to be such great allies with a country where we don't have anything in common with them other than supplying weapons and training their military so they can create conflicts and defend themselves from the people who rightfully own the land.

My beef with the whole ordeal is why the state of Israel thinks that they deserve the land more than the Palestinians.

Let me try and not ruffle any feathers,

Isn't it to late to worry about this now, taking sides is pointless, what they need is a solution, all this bickering back and forth, this war of words, lobbing word bombs at one another solves nothing.

Some of you really need to just step back and breathe!!

I love the Jewish people and in them have found a link to my history, but really..... some of you are just plain worshiping them. Opposing views are good for learning.

You will be doing the Jewish people MORE harm by trying to shut others up. This will be a better place when we can allow others to vent what they are seeing from their perspective and then patiently and with understanding, give them our perspective.

If you try to tell people they can't express their views on the Jewish people, then you can rest assured that the anger, contempt, and hatred will take hold and grow.

I find the worshipers of the Jewish people to be just as dangerous, if not more so than those who oppose them. If you worship the people to the point where you can't stand to see opposing views, then you limit not only others opportunity to learn and grow, but yours as well.... and it is in that, that you will miss what truly makes the Jewish people special.

How about a topic where no one takes side, and only post solutions, without throwing stones.

This wound is never gonna heal.

Honestly, why do all these pro-Israel people completely lack valid arguements and simply cry racism? Playing the racism card is so easy.

I don't hate individual jewish people. In fact a few of my friends are jewish.

One thing for certain. I absolutely despise Israel and its "We're better than everone else policy"

If exactly 60 years after you created a homeland out of someone else's turf, everyone around still wants you gone. How valid is your claim to the land? Just leave for the love of god.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Bl0rg]

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
ATS can remove my posts and take my points, hell they can ban me from their threads but til they do I will send copies of their JEW HATING NATURE to the JDL and such for proof of their racism and possible actions against ATS by the JDL.

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