well, if I say: 'israel bombs palestinians and kill them', it is not anti-israel sentiment it is a fact...

I am amazed by your reaction, mike...

no star and no flag for you

Densely populated areas like Gaza are apparently popular breeding grounds for terrorism anyway. Cabrini green, Chicago? People are still basically much like animals and Gaza is just another chaotic human style zoo. Just remember what they had to do to Cabrini green.

What lesson is god sending here? less is more? Less land for Palestine, more resentment for Israel? Can someone put this scenario in the form of causality as if planned this way? What are we still doing wrong?

People have an intrinsic need to hate. There are only a few groups that are PC to hate. One of these is Israel. It's racism at best. Haters are as bad as the people they hate. When we stop hating and blaming, maybe we can start working on the peace process.

Edit to add *S&F*

[edit on 1/5/2009 by darkelf]

The tensions have been brewing between Israel and Palestine longer than I've been on this earth. I believe it stems back at least a hundred years if not more.

These people are born into the hate, racism and war, people cry foul about the attacks on innocent civilians and I only agree to an extent, what gets me is these same innocent civilians raised their children to hate the opposition, they've done it for generations, why should I feel sorry for people who can't forgive and forget? People who don't teach their children acceptance?

Peace doesn't seem to be an option anymore, maybe both sides just need to wipe each other out? So who ever is left over can make a clean start.





I'm guessing I'll get flamed from both sides here and I apologise if I have offended anyone, I'm just airing my thoughts.



[edit on 5-1-2009 by Chadwickus]

Originally posted by darkelf
People have an intrinsic need to hate. There are only a few groups that are PC to hate. One of these is Israel. It's racism at best. Haters are as bad as the people they hate. When we stop hating and blaming, maybe we can start working on the peace process.

Also its "PC" to hate Smokers.
"druggies"
the KKK and neonazis

IMO its wrong to hate them.
Especially the KKK and Nazi's. their motto is "HATE"

SO if you Hate the Haters, they won, because your now a hater too.

Mike, I usually appreciate your research and opinion, however in this case I just don't see any reason to star or flag.

If you are clipping a segment out of this 2000 year conflict and basing you opinion on that visual, fine. But this conflict has many causes & effects that people seem to want to ignore.

I have no reason to love Palestinians outside of that their human, nut when looking at the facts (all the facts) it is hard to not see Israel as the aggressor.

They themselves used terror tactics to ascertain Israel from arabs, now they are pointing the vilifying finger when the oppressees begin fighting back from oppression?

Not only that, but have you heard some of the slanderous quotes by Israeli leaders over the decades? they believe arabs to be scum.

Not cool.

And to the person that threatens to sue... Another part of the problem.

AAC

Mike, I understand your frustration, but I think all this thread is going to do is bring more anti-_____ (insert Israel or Palestine) people out of the woodwork. Perhaps this is better put in the RANT section - unless you think there is an anti-Israel conspiracy with those that run ATS.

Israel will wake up one day and realize, it is its own worst enemy. Israel’s use of a stacked deck ( i.e. cheating ) when playing with the lives of innocent Palestinians in Gaza, will someday come back to haunt them. The timeless laws of creation hold sway. Willful participants in the act of wholesale genocide inevitably become fettered to an incurred karmic debt. Anyone, who in their heart supports / participates in cold blooded murder, is sooner or later, up for serious cosmic payback.

What is the point of fighting terrorism if you become one in the process (hint: both USA and Israel)? There has got to be a better way (hint: strive for peace AT ALL costs).

Mike - I absolutely agree with you, and you've voiced my opinions utterly. Starred and flagged.

I've been a member here for two or three years now. I don't have any particular interest in the middle east - or in Jewish history particularly - I'm here for the aliens and funny-shaped rocks, mostly!

But I was shocked to discover on looking at my posting record on these boards what a high proportion have been responses to anti-Jewish threads. I'm sure I'm not alone, and I know I've seen plenty of anti-Muslim threads too.

The problem is this is a conspiracy site. If someone has a problem with a particular country or religious group, and really wants to, they can make a conspiracy out of more or less anything and claim justification for putting their opinions on the board. So a Islamic fundamentalist terrorist attack on the West is posted up as a conspiracy perpetuated by all followers of Islam, and an aggressive attack on Palestine is posted up as a Zionist conspiracy in which all Jewish people are involved.

My view: this isn't the correct forum for these theories. Heaven knows there are plenty of websites out there for people who want to discuss justification for religious intolerance or bigotry. It's not why I signed up for ATS, though - and to my mind the presence of this kind of half-baked thinking only gives credence to those who don't choose to take the material that's posted on here (in good faith) seriously. If you wanted any evidence that ATSers are a bunch of whacko nutjobs you could do a lot worse than search for "Zionist conspiracy" and read the first few posts.

The reality in this instance is much more stark and distressing. Both sides, as is so often the case, are utterly in the wrong and utterly unable to see the other side of the coin. The "conspiracy", if there is one, is not Islam against the West, or Judaism and the New World Order. It is two authorities both utterly obsessed with greed and their own power, and all too willing to put their own people in the line of fire to further their aims. It may be this is the greatest conspiracy in human history - but it's not complicated. It's called human nature.

Please, let's drop the half-witted, juvenile mud-slinging. It gets us nowhere, and there are people dying out there that won't find it helpful.

LW

That the truth might indict someone, or a group that is ethnic, or a country, or religious movement is neither racist nor bigoted, it is simply the truth.

Calling the truth or facts defamation to excuse one’s individual or collective acts as a contrivance of avoiding ones complicity and responsibility for them is simply as discrediting as the acts and facts that speak so poorly of a character, agenda or act that requires such desperate and thin measures in hopes of avoiding the consequences of those acts.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Usually the people who speak it do so out of love.

I don't condone Israel's genocidal policies, or U.N. Violations, or Hamas attempts to use violence to spotlight the political plight of disenfranchised Palestinians either. I love all the people of the earth.

There are no bad people. Just people who sometimes do bad things.