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Topic started on 5-1-2009 @ 07:22 AM by masonwatcher
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Must Read! Rome's Jewish Chairman inadvertently exposes Zionist trick!
palestinethinktank.com
 chairman of the Jewish Community of Rome, Riccardo Pacifici - voted in on a ticket expressly called "For Israel" - recently announced that
the Union of Italian Jewish Communities (UCEI) was about to donate 300,000 Euros' worth of medicine to the victims of the war in Gaza: 200,000 to
"the children and people of Gaza", 100,000 to the "children and civilians" of Israel.
The Italian Foreign Minister expressed his great admiration for this generous gesture.
However, a right-wing Italian emigrant to Israel, Shimon Fargion, raised a noisy protest against this aid to Palestinians.
Riccardo Pacifici answers Fargion, apparently on a semi-public mailing list. First declaring his "total support for this war in Gaza". Faelino Luzon
chimes in to explain that this "gesture of humanity" had been "decided on beforehand together with the top Israeli officials (for obvious reasons,
I cannot go into greater detail)" .
Pacifici explains that the Italian Jewish community agreed with the Israeli ambassador on keeping a "low profile"at this time. "I can assure you -
writes Pacifici - that the decision to send medicine to Palestinian and Israeli children was taken only for media purposes, and was only used for our
struggle which will start on Monday in the media to support Israel". Pacifici announces that on January 10th there will be a "mega-event" with
1,500 personalities chosen together with the Israeli ambassador in order to "explain Israel's reasons and its right to make this war".
(visit the link for the full news article)
Mod Edit: All Caps – Please Review This Link.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 07:22 AM by masonwatcher
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The original article in the Italian newspaper revealing what goes on behind the Hasbara scenes.
files.splinder.com...
Once again more information is trickling out that the current war on Gaza was planned months ahead of the cease fire by Israel and its sayanim in the
US and Europe. This article, in the Italian newspaper, shows the sytematic coordination in place to take the war to audiances with fake charitable
donations for 'the women and children of Gaza' when the correspondent knows that not even one item will be given to the wounded.
This a Holocaust against the Palestinians and the Israelis and their apologists are blowing smoke.
palestinethinktank.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 08:27 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Masonwatcher,
You know you had me convinced you were right about the"Zionist Jews" about 20 must read topics ago,now it's beginning to sound a lot like
propaganda nonsense.
Here's a hint the more you try and convince the less believable it sounds, have the Palistinians(sp) done any thing wrong in say the last 100 years?
Both sides are wrong or at least wrongly motivated until both sides quit living and dying in the past there will never be a peace. I hate that
innocent people are herded into the Gaza Strip to live in a semi prison like state,but they(Israelis) found it was essentially to their security.
However rightly or wrongly the land in question has become Israel's you have to admit they live in a hornets nest and feel once they let their guard
down they become walking targets themselves.with rockets raining down they already are. With that I ask with all sincerity what you would you propose
the Israeli's do?
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 08:35 AM by star in a jar
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There's a war on for our minds...
All tricks in the Zionist bag will be brought out. Lies told, half-truths told.
200,000 dollars for 1.5 million Gazans... enough for about a half-day, if it ever gets to them 
and what's the 100,000 for the Israelis for? Popcorn to watch the carnage?
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 08:56 AM by centurion1211
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If the palestinians need and get the aid, I say so what to reports that a couple of old people in Italy discussed it. Try asking the palestinians if
they care about this topic, and I will bet they will tell you to just send them the medicine, etc.
And of course this attack was planned for before it happened.
And can you even post on a thread without mentioning "the Jews"? You must know how that makes you sound ...
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 09:19 AM by Animal
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You like Israel that is your bag mate. The OP never mentioned the "Jews" he mentions Israel. The difference is that one is a 'people' and the
other is a 'state'.
Israel will continue to behave this way as long as nations such as the USA continue to support their actions whole heartedly. And until the Pro Israel
lobbies stop dumping big money into our political system or our politicians become 'uncorrupted' this change unlikely. It surely irritates, to say
the least.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 09:24 AM by Agit8dChop
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Did anyone read the final line?
Pacifici announces that on January 10th there will be a "mega-event" with 1,500 personalities chosen together with the Israeli ambassador in
order to "explain Israel's reasons and its right to make this war".
Thats got me wondering...
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 09:48 AM by mrmonsoon
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Hmmm, let’s see about the news source.
Palestinian think tank, yeah that would be an honest one.
I am sure the Palistianthinktank is completely 2 sided and open to the fact's.
Come on; let’s not worry about more palliwood productions.
When we look at sources, we need to pick reasonable ones, that one is so biased, it is funny. 
So if I post something from the Jerusalem, post, you would accept it as fact as well??? S
Something as biased as the source in the link is to be ignored as nothing more than palliwood propaganda.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:48 AM by putnam6
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Not sure if you response was for me but i'll take a stab at it mate. Israel isn't my bag baby nor is Gaza, what is my is bag is not killing innocent
people especially women and children but really the question remains What is Israel to do? Let Hamas continue to fire rockets into "guess what"
innocent people's homes,schools and businesses. All I want is the answer that stabilizes the region and ends the rockets being fired and the tanks
rolling over children.
As for where the money comes from I am sure quite a few American politicians' pockets are stuffed with Arab money,because the Arabs that used to bail
us out said no this time ,one thing about an American they do know how to play both sides.
I'd like to post more but back to work
Give Palestine Back, OK but what happens to Israel. Do they wonder in the desert for 40 years?
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:04 AM by Animal
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Originally posted by putnam6
reply to post by Animal
Not sure if you response was for me but i'll take a stab at it mate. Israel isn't my bag baby nor is Gaza, what is my is bag is not killing innocent
people especially women and children...
I am with you 150% on this one mate, there is no disagreement what so ever.
...but really the question remains What is Israel to do? Let Hamas continue to fire rockets into "guess what" innocent people's
homes,schools and businesses. All I want is the answer that stabilizes the region and ends the rockets being fired and the tanks rolling over
children.
What Israel needs to do is STOP oppressing the people of Palestine. They have systematically taken over Palestinian lands that were never intended to
be part of the "Jewish State" created by the allies. They have systematically isolated the Palestinian people from natural resources, land, schools,
hospitals and medicine, and freedom to just be 'free' people.
While the choice to use violence to end this oppression is sad and invites violence against them, they have little choice as they are an occupied and
oppressed people.
As for where the money comes from I am sure quite a few American politicians' pockets are stuffed with Arab money,because the Arabs that used to bail
us out said no this time ,one thing about an American they do know how to play both sides.
Depending on the sources you choose to believe the USA has given Israel between $85-$150 BILLION dollars since the 1940's.
Looking at lobbyists in the USA Israel has a major constituency here, Wiki: Israel
Lobby in the USA
Give Palestine Back, OK but what happens to Israel. Do they wonder in the desert for 40 years?
Israel has to learn how to behave in a manner consistent with what they preach, they need to learn to NOT oppress and not systematically decimate a
people to solidify a place for themselves to live.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:25 AM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by Animal
reply to post by centurion1211
You like Israel that is your bag mate. The OP never mentioned the "Jews" he mentions Israel. The difference is that one is a 'people' and the
other is a 'state'.
Uh, it's in the title, "mate". Also, try researching his other posts. BTW, mason is not the only one this can be said about.
And about the key point of my post that you ignored? Will palestinians care how the aid gets there, or why if they really need it? I know that
doesn't fit your ideology, but it is a legitimate question.
Can we have a discussion about what the state of Israel is or is not doing without making it a Jewish issue? Apparently not for some members.
That's why they keep getting stuck with the "anti-Semite label".
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:31 AM by Maxmars
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Regrettably, both sides have engaged in a media war. Both sides have chosen to lie, fabricate, and manipulate facts.
As a result, I can only suppose that when organizations pledge to assist the innocents, they mean it. If they are lying (again) they must be certain
they can get away with the lies.
The problem for me is simple. When they chose to lie, they chose to negate my ability to support either side.
Shame really. I know little kids and struggling families don't pursue this confrontation of their own free will. Hamas has sparked this knowing
full well what their people must endure. I wonder if their people were all 'for' this situation. As for Israel, well, we can see from their
repeated actions that theirs is a war about supremacy and submission. That they claim there actions are towards any other end is a silly as the US's
war on Iraq..., which wasn't about oil....
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:46 AM by masonwatcher
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Hamas has sparked this knowing full well what their people must endure. I wonder if their people were all 'for' this situation. As for Israel, well,
we can see from their repeated actions that theirs is a war about supremacy and submission. That they claim there actions are towards any other end is
a silly as the US's war on Iraq..., which wasn't about oil....
You obviously bought the standard Israeli propaganda hook, line and sinker. Read this thread to find out how Israel started this conflict;
You can simply verify it by taking any claim and cross referencing it with a gooogle search on any international newspaper. You will get the dates,
times and what happened. Bear in mind that there was a cease fire until last week, but this didn't stop Israel carrying out its operations.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:56 AM by Animal
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Uh, it's in the title, "mate". Also, try researching his other posts. BTW, mason is not the only one this can be said about.
Semantics, semantics, semantics...The OP talks about ISRAEL. As per the rules of the site he used the title of the article he was citing
and it was this, the article title, that made use of the term "Jewish".
And about the key point of my post that you ignored? Will palestinians care how the aid gets there, or why if they really need it? I know that
doesn't fit your ideology, but it is a legitimate question.
Yes you are right, I ignored the crux of your statement, and I am sure you are correct the Palestinians will be happy with aid in about any form,
perhaps. However, your point also disregards the point of this thread, that the "aid" mentioned is a smoke screen blown up the general public's
'patooty' to cover their true intentions of aiding Israels latest attempt at erasing Palestine and the Palestinian all together.
Can we have a discussion about what the state of Israel is or is not doing without making it a Jewish issue? Apparently not for some members.
That's why they keep getting stuck with the "anti-Semite label".
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And once again you choose to split hairs to make your arguments for you. This thread is quite obviously about hew STATE of Israel and not a
critique of the people or their culture.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:03 PM by Dracula23
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Seriously masonwatcher it seems you keep coming up with the most irrelevant news from the worst sources, and that’s why I never see your posts in
the most read section and it seems like people on ATS don’t take you that seriously.
Let me just say this, if you had any military experience you would understand that the Israeli Army like any other good army prepares for many
scenarios ahead of time…
After the war in Lebanon with Hezbollah, Hamas abducted a soldier and started with the rocket attacks using the same tactics that Hezbollah used. The
Israeli army drafted out many plans (one of which was invading GAZA) incase that situation escalated which it did since they are dealing with a
terrorist group.
You sound like an angry Muslim, and I would be more concerned with the Muslim terrorist organizations and religious fanatics that keep your entire
civilization in poverty, uneducated and in alienated from the western world.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:09 PM by masonwatcher
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In that case why bother commenting directly with me. Just hit that ignore bottom and you'll never see my posts. Very easy indeed.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:11 PM by magicmushroom
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Animal, you have made some good points and yes people cannot see that what the Israelis really want is not just the Aabs out of the former Palestinian
lands but want to extend the lands of Isreal itself. One wonders what the pro Israelis here will use as excuses when we see the Jewish Stormtroppers
taking even more land including Syria, Eygpt, Jordan, Iraq and SA. Yes I cannot wait to here the bull crap from them how it is the Israeli right to
plunder and murder supported by the despot USA/UK. The Worlds real axis of evil UK/USA/Israel.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:16 PM by Dracula23
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Im enjoying the fact that you cant answer any question or post academically or with facts. Nor can you answer the bigger issue, which is the problem
the Muslim world faces today with its religious fanatics and terrorist groups that are destroying their culture and causing their people to suffer.
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:21 PM by masonwatcher
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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:46 PM by Anonymous ATS
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They have systematically taken over Palestinian lands that were never intended to be part of the "Jewish State" created by the allies. Excuse me..
There never was a palestinian home land. This has been and allways belong to the Jews.
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