War on pirates? Bite me!

reply to post by defcon5

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a valid point about the us contingent but not so sure about the indians . despite rising tensions between them and pakistan they have sent there stealth frigates to the gulf of aden on piracy patrol?

Good point as My home country of Sweden also has sent two boats of the Visby class corvette Stealth boat to the area. Fully built in kevlar and the most expensive military craft this country has ever developed. It´s main purpose is to be an combined missile cruiser and submarine hunter.

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I do agree with the argument that this are very important waters to survey for the worlds navys but I do not agree with the amount of aggressive navy that the CTO 150 is putting up. It´s way to large for a surveillance mission and there are to many Destroyers and subhunters in the area. True my knowledge this looks like a giant subhunt in which most of the worlds navys are being a part of friend or foe...

I really don´t know what to say about the USO story put forward but I do have my doubts...

[edit on 09/1/8 by serenityone]

Hum. Hey hey, people! You seem to be forgetting something here; the pirates use the same "logo" the organization known as Skull and Bones is using. See the link? And one of the member of that organization ( S&B ) is just finishing his tour as chief-commander of one of Earth's most powerful country's army.

From what info I've been able to collect over the years, I've got this picture coming out; the war in Irak was launched to re-acquire old technologies left by the ancient Gods. Remember that many archeological treasures, dating back nearly 10 000 years were broken, not stolen. Marines were sent to "protect" some of Iraq's museum at the time... And when you look at the pictures of those broken treasures, you can see squared cavities, like secret hiding places.
Anyone familiar with the history of secret organizations know there has been many splits amongst their ranks, creating new secret societies. It may be a war between some of these factions to appropriate for themselves what was found at the beginning of the war in Iraq.

Why Somalia? Well, it's an old, old country, to begin with. And the state it's in, actually, would make it a perfect hiding place. ( Or maybe they need to, let's say, activate something in an old realm, go figure! ) Anyway, we're so used to hear a certain kind of story from certain countries that we don't register anything else, it seems.
I'll admit I haven't heard about the USOs, but it makes me remember two "quotes" from US gov. officials. The First is Reagan; " If there was an alien threat coming to this world, we would forget or differences and would join in a fight against the invaders... I'm asking you, aren't the invaders already at our doors? " and the other one is from Madeleine Albright, answering a question about the true resolution of spy satellites, considering the resolution of commercial satellites: " Ha!Ha! If people knew what was truly in space, they would understand EVERYTHING! "

Before leaving, I'd like to wish a joyous, succesful year 2009 to all!

Aresh.

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so what your saying is that theres a possibility that theres an artifact from another realm here on earth whic h everybody is looking for. i dont believe in the little green man stuff however i do think that there is evidence of visitors to this planet [ not nesacarily from another planet [ may be from another time] . is it possible that what they might be looking for is un worldly. is there a threat to the planet from space ie meteorite or other? lots of things have been found on the planet that would point towards time . is it possible we were sent out in an arc from an ailing planet and lost the technology, it doesn't take long look how much we lost from the romans greeeks etc are now only piecing together. the golden aircraft of the incas and nasca lines all are ancient yet seem to have a modern look about them.
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further to a bit of diggin around heres a couple things of interest about the gulf of aden bi'r ,ali crater , the carlsberg trench is only 700 k away and just had a m5.5 tremor, increased volcanic activity on the erta ale volcano, the whole gulf has a rift running through it,and a little thought of my own is that the gulf is 13-10 degrees north and the area is very mountainous if this 2012 stuff happens [ not had much chance to find out alot about it ] it would make sense to base your self somewhere like this

I´ve done some research on the USO part to try to find some natural or worldly explanation on the phenomena.
It took me back more than 60 years in events and 90 years in technology.

The technology to create submerged crafts do excist but is not yet proven due to secrecy but if you all dig in hard you´ll probably come to the same conclusions as I´ve done.

I sincerely don´t think this is mamboo jamboo! This could explain a whole lot of events and the explanation is hidden in plain sight as always!

It all started with an alien UFO crash in Germany 1936...

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The material on this matter comes in astronomical proportions and it´s impossible to go true everything but it will lead you in the right direction.

Could this be the so called hidden superpower?

Go further with task force 43/operation deep freeze and operation highjump and you´ll get more answers.

3 nukes were dropped on these guys in Neu Shwabenland in 1947!

The biggest darkening of our modern time?

Could this be related to the watchers?

This you can touch on!

Hello everyone,
To answer da pickles first ( sorry if I was a bit long ), I think they ALREADY have technological artifacts in their possession. I don't know if it comes from here or another planet, but the real matter would be to know what it can do, once activated. Time travel? yeah, we do get oftenly the idea of time travellers trying to change the past in order to change the future. I've been thinking for the last 10 years that it has been done, but in a past way way back behind us, to have current technology researched and developped so today, our current technology would look like simple toys... Am I clear enough, here?! ( Actually, I got the idea in december of 1999 when there was a special about the opening of the tomb of an Egyptian GOD!!! On that show we were shown for the first time the walls in Abydoss where we can see Apache Helicopters and other seemingly space ships... )
But I see a link here with serenityone's last statement.
For the idea of technology being older than we think, here's what I have to say about it; I started writting a comic book serie last year ( No, nothing published yet, but it was close! ) about the fact that technology was older than generally tought. And the basis for each story was based on facts, true, historical facts. First of all, what got me started was the fact that in every case of a discovery, the power of the times ALWAYS said, why keep on researching this, there is no need for that! Here is the list of some of the things I had found. My first story was based on Tesla's technology of remote control. He presented in 1898 to the Navy a project about a wireless radio-guided torpedoe. Nah! What would be the use, said the Navy... And yet, in the 50, the CIA could control a bull with a remote. WE got it in the '90s. In 1615, in Great-Britain the bathyscaphe was born. Nah!, what would be the use, said the then king. At about the same time, Blaise Pascal invented a mechanical calculator that could add, subtract, multiply and divide in the numbers of tens of thousands. Nobody saw a use for it then? Now I say Nah!, I don't believe they didn't continue research then, because it has never happened ( the stopping of said research ), or else we would still be dwindling in caves, eating raw meat...
So try and imagine submarines after 400 hundred years of research and developpment, or the remote control for the living, the real capacities of super-computers, etc.
All in all, there must be a mix of everything in here. Alien technology, Ancient technology, discarded technology by the "Western world" ( yes! ), a war amongst lodges simultaneous to fighting alien invaders... or are the alien invaders simply... the nazis that left at the end of WWII? Hitler did say the Nazis had the means to hit the allied anywhere and anyTIME it would please them... They are supposed to have gone ( at the very least )
to Antartica, WICH IS NOT REPRESENTED ON THE UN FLAG!!!, while Antartica is considered something of an international land... hm.
Oh!, I was amused this morning when it was announced that a supertanker had been exchanged for a mere 3M$ by the Somalian pirates. They let it go for nothing, compared to the value of the ship and the cargo... Plus, we have to remember that these pirates must have their links in high spheres or they would have easily been spotted eons ago! Or else, they must have such a good hidding place they could have sold the stock without fear of getting caught, making billions, not a few millions... ...it must mean nothing that the said tanker is named Sirius Star.
The star of dogmen with talking dolphins... Oh well! ( USO anyone? )
A last word for the fun of it; I find it amusing that there are Grey aliens, because we had Grey Nazis that supposedly also established themselves on other planets... And there are aryan type aliens! Blond, tall, blue eyed...
Were the nazis right on spot with the idea of their origin?... or is it them?
See ya!

its a shame the media isn't reporting that the reason these people are pirating is because fish supplies are being depleted.

here's an interesting read for everyone:

Link 1 and Link 2, just in case one of them doesn't work. It's the same article basically, and quite interesting in its assertions.

here are some excerpts:

reply to post by toreishi

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piracy has taken many forms through the ages. despite alot of peoples ideas abpout the royal navy and the hard ships suffered by its crews . yes it was tough but compared to life ashore it was a step up off the streets . pirates werent mutinous crews in most cases. alot of the time they were government sanctioned privateers who plundered in the name of the king/queen . one of the most famous was edward teach alias blackbeard unfortunatley he went a bit too far and got hanged.as for the idea of the west dumping hazmat in the gulf of aden doesnt make sense ok u got somalia on one side ,completly lawless and corrupt but the other side you got yemen which had ties with the west.the gulf isnt that bigand why dump stuff there if it could cause political harm with yemen . the fishing fleets i can understand [ if its really happened] ive seen it happen in the uk and we nearly had a war over fishing rites with greenland. the saying theres plenty more fish in the sea could never be more incorrect. the point of the thread is that the pirates, boatjackers , misguided enviromentalists what ever you want to call them are hijacking boats and crews for ransom so why send so many war ships of stealth variety and others out there to patrol . i mean what is a sub going to do against a speed boat

Ah, military movements, one of my specialties as I am in the military. A few key points I want to point out.

On the pirates not being found on the open seas or with their stolen ships.

- An supertanker is a very very large ship, I am pretty sure most people realize this.
-Where can they successfully hide a supertanker that large without it being seen or discovered.
-This is a huge feat, one that in our modern world should be almost impossible.
-So many ships for just these pirates seems like overkill, even for something like world trade.
-There are simpler ways to take care of this problem that do not involve the use of so many naval vessels.
-They have at least 3 aircraft carriers in the area and still have not found anything with all that aerial surviellence. (Yea ok, dont believe that)

Now on the naval presence.
-There are so many ships from different navies, there is no reason they have not caught the pirates yet.
-As stated, 3 aircraft carriers with all those planes running surviellence and they havent found anything on the pirates.
-Why has the Chinese navy sent ships when they havent left their waters in 30 years.
-Why all the advanced firepower for just a few small pirate vessels which could be taken down with a few bombs(missiles) from just a couple of aircraft.
-Its true that aircraft carriers go no-where without defenses, but why so many carriers and why so much extra firepower.

Now on the hijacked ships
-Why havent they taken up arms to defend themselves
-Ships during the World Wars took up arms to defend against German U-boats.
-Who is going to seriously let themselves be captured, I know I wouldnt even if I knew I was going to be ransomed back. (Guess thats just my mentality.)

My conclusion to this whole fiasco is that there is something going on, and the worlds governments are using this pirate problem as its cover up. Who is to say that the NWO hasnt set these pirates into action so that they could further their plans? This could be part of their grand scheme of things. Ever think of that. As far as what is going on behind the curtain so to speak, I cant explain that. We just have to keep a close eye on this thing because the pirate issue is not the reason that all these nations have vessels in this area. As far as he USO thing goes, I am one to believe in aliens and UFOs but I dont think this has to do with USOs. I believe there is something of great interest below the waters of the Gulf of Aden and all these nations are working together for the time being to find it, then the fight will be on to claim it. This is a good explanation to the amount of firepower in the area. Find whatever it is everyone is looking for then have an all out brawl to decide who keeps it. From the looks of things though, the United States is best set to win this brawl if it occurs. If there is more of a beef up of navy vessels to come into the area that is when we need to be alarmed because that would mean they are close to finding whatever it is or achieving their goal and an all out naval battle is going to happen. I encourage everyone to keep a close eye on this as I am going to.

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Wow great post. How will we know if military prescence is beefed up more? Will the msm know about and/or be allowed to post about it?

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First of all, do you have any idea how hard it is to find an AIRCRAFT CARRIER in the size of the are we are talking about? If they go EMCON it's almost impossible without actually having an idea where it is to begin with. A boat the size of the ones the pirates using are even harder.

That being said, a carrier is the perfect platform for pirate hunting, because they operate S-3 Vikings, and E-2 Hawkeyes. The E-2 used an AWACS radar that is good for finding ships. But you're still talking a huge area. The S-3 has an outstanding loiter time, and is used to hunt submarines. Both of these are great platforms for pirate hunting.

There are NOT currently 3 or 5 carriers in the Gulf of Aden looking for pirates. There is one. Other carriers in that AO are operating in the Med, or in other areas closer to Iraq and Afghanistan. The US Navy only keeps 5-6 deployed WORLDWIDE at any given moment. 1-2 are going through refit to various degrees almost all the time. If they're in for their refuel, they're down for a couple of years. Others are doing workups near the US coasts, and others are training out to sea in other areas of the world.

Those ships have a lot more endurance than a small boat, as well as more sophisticated sensor arrays to detect the pirate's boats.

I am going on what has already been posted. They said three carriers. Also, with aircraft carriers comes guess what, aircraft. Wow, what a coincidence. With just 1 carrier they should be able to cover a great area of the gulf. Also, a supertanker isnt that easy to miss even with flying high, so obviously these pirates have a pretty good hiding place for these stolen vessels or there is something up.

Plus, where did these pirates learn all the things that go into navigating a supertanker in the first place. Obviously they are not just normal people from the country who just up and started hijacking ships. They have to have alot of time and training to know how to navigate all these different vessels they steal. It takes miles to stop a fully loaded supertanker. Plus all these other vessels. So if these are normal people turned pirate then where did they get their ability to drive this diverse amount of vessels.

Next, as far as knowing if they beef up naval ships, well obviously people know which ships are there from their own countries and that the Chinese sent ships, so how hard do you think it is to find out if they send more ships to the area. Obviously other people know where all these other American naval ships are so do you think it would be that hard to find out if the naval vessels in the area have increased. Didnt think it would be so hard. Think fully before you post next time.

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They don't HAVE to know how to navigate the ships. The crews are all on board them still. If you had guys with guns holding your entire crew hostage, and you didn't have any arms on board, and they tell you to go to a certain point, are you going to say no? I sure as hell would do what they told me to do.

You say a supertanker is a huge ship, so is an aircraft carrier. Have you seen high altitude pictures of either of them? They're tiny little dots that you can barely make out.

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This is a Japanese aircraft carrier in WWII taken from a few thousand feet. That ship is pretty big for the times, but it doesn't look that big here. I'll find more recent pics later this weekend if I have time. But a ship that's 3/4ths of a mile long is NOT that big when you're talking about a MILLION SQUARE MILES of ocean to cover.

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the powers that be know exactly where the hijacked vessels are. paying ransoms does give in to terrorism but the crews are safe[ bring back maggie thatcher]and the owners will get there ship and cargo back for a fee. all commercial shipping carry a transponder aboard, these can only be turned off in the gulf of aden and any high risk areas.the navies are not looking for small boats , the pirates use a mother ship for this purpose . as disclosed in the link below certain vessels are being hijacked for this purpose, as i said before shooting up one of these vessels could lead to a ecological and financial crisis.


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This is very odd. I to believe the pirates are a cover story. What is happening is the the world chess board is setting up its game pieces to play the game of world chess.

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finally found the link i was looking for. as you'll see there's a lot of shipping out there yet the gulf of aden is clear . this has been the case for many years to avoid piracy in the area.



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Ouch! I'm obviously not knowledgeable in this area and was merely asking a curious question. Geez.