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posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
Here's what people don't talk about much. Before this most recent military action against Palestine, the murder of Israeli's was celebrated in the middle east. Every time a suicide bomber detonated himself or herself and killed civilians, many middle eastern nations celebrated. Parades were held for the 'martyrs' that killed the impure Jewish civilians. Is this right of course not. BUT WHY WON'T ANY OF THE ANTI-ISRAELI POSTERS EVEN ADMIT THAT HAMAS' ACTIONS ARE AND WERE HORRIBLE AS WELL?!?! You don't have to be supportive of Israel's current actions to condemn Hamas and terrorists' actions


You mean just like these populations celebrated on 9/11, or 7/7?

You are talking about a minority who believe that actions against other religions/populations is acceptable.
Not all of these people think in this way.

I have freely and openly agreed that the actions of Hamas are not acceptable either.

But, that does not justify the actions taking place right now against Gaza.

It makes me sick to my stomach that any people would celebrate the deaths of others. And yes, I agree that it does seem to be certain nations that believe this to be acceptable. But for that you have to go back to religious belief again.
All organized religion propagates hatred of another. It uses indoctrination and brainwashing to control the masses. This is what you are seeing when you have thousands of people celebrating the deaths of others.

There are only two options here. One is to disconnect entirely from such nations, which isn't practical. The other is to manage as best as possible through a long period of developing ties and moderate practices.
Tolerance of beliefs and ways of life are a better option than isolation and, therefore, continuation of the status quo.

Personally, I long for the day when we can all detach from every organized religion. When we all have every religious belief in every country but kept to a personal belief rather than this insane desire to make everyone the same as us. But that's not likely to happen.




posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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I almost resisted the temptation to look. But I did and have to give my two cents. I'd like to see the reaction if Mexicans took over let's say Texas, or New Mexico, and demanded the entire territory be given over to them. Mexicans believe Texas belongs to them. So let's say we finally concede, after they have been launching bombs at Oklahoma and Louisiana for years. Then let's force all Americans to move completely out of Texas; let's subsidize the Mexicans with food and provide their water and power etc. Then when they continue to bomb us in spite of all the above, let's just give them the whole USA.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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There have been so many comments made supporting the destruction of Hamas, but I have yet to see any such similar condenmation of Fatah who have been equally resposible for guerilla attacks against Israel

Both parties are as equally responsible and have Israeli blood on their hands, yet Hamas is declared a terrorist entity, whilst Fatah is not...even though these two factions are essentially borne out of the former PLO headed by Yasser Arafat

What is the real agenda? Why is Fatah being supported yet Hamas villified?

Perhaps someone with greater knowledge on the subject could answer that one?



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Detachedindividual, yes it is not everyone that has celebrated the murder of Israeli's, but the numbers are larger than a very small minority. Iraq under Saddam Hussein would send money to the families of suicide bombers. Iran and Syria used to provide funding to Hamas and still gives money to Hezbollah. My point is that there is state sponsored celebration of the deaths of Israeli's, and you see zero state sponsored celebration of Palestinian deaths.

Sadly, there really are those out there that want all Jews and Christians dead. Of course I am sure there are some out there that want all Muslims dead as well. Both are completely sick, wrong and saddening. But why can't Anti-Israel people ever seem to condemn or find fault in the actions of Palestinian terrorists?

Again, I am not defending Israel, just pointing out hypocrisy. Are some of you out there saying that Israel deserved what happened to them before? Or are all these deaths senseless and wrong? If what Israel has done is wrong, why do the murdered Israeli's deaths not warrant outcry and condemnation?



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Anyone wanting some historical perspective may be interested in reading my recent thread titled Understanding the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict - The Roots of Zionism.

This thread takes much of the historical quotes provided in the thread and places them in context to the overall picture of how Israel was forced into Statehood by the Zionist World Congress. A very interesting read.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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hopefully being the key word. actually think back and try to remember if you have ever seen a militant killed from bombs. i havent and ive seen alot of pictures and footage. its because they dont give a damn who they target. if those were your children laying dead covered with dust in the road i dont think you would be using the argument, "they get what they deserve electing hamas, they picked a fight with the big dog, blah blah blah". if the united states wasnt backing israel they would be smoked tommorrow.

im so sick about this i dont know what to do other than a call to arms for all those who want this to stop. let the civilians leave the area and those who wish to fight stay right there and i will come and i am sure i will not be alone.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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The best place for Jewish hate speech, bigotry and general right wingedness is Israel National Radio - listen live online now!

My highlights include the woman who greated the news of the invasion of Gaza with the quote "Isreal belongs only to the jews, no one else"

Adverts offering to pay for the flights of people willing to move into 'politically important areas' of the 'holy land'

The news story 'over 400 terrorists have been killed in gaza so far' -because children count as legitimate enemy combatants in ALL wars.

The scary part is the brainwashing is so good that i'm almost starting to accept that maybe nations like isreal and, oh say... nazi germany, do have the right to murder anyone they want as long as it helps them protect their own citizens - i'm almost ashamed of great britan being so racist and anti-germanic when we told them to stop, pftt - now i see no nation should be expected to show respect and understanding to people that aren't of the exact same 'pure' bloodline as them--oh wait no, that's insane and hatefull i don't buy that for a second.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Who's god? Mine ? The muslims? The Native Americans? Frank Sinatra's?
Lets deal with facts and the fact is there is no proof of any gods right? This whole notion of one is better than the other because "GOD" said so is so childish and unfactual and fodder for the weak minded. I say bring on the Aliens and let them say who is god. pppppplease!


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posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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post removed because the user has no concept of manners

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posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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I'm sick of the war!

And I'm ashamed of my fellow ATS members.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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More Israeli hate propaganda ....

Israel are evil blah blah blah ...

The poor Palestinian people are suffering blah blah blah ...

Oh we had another Israeli hater try and pass off a video from 2004 as CURRENT Israeli atrocities against the poor defenseless Palestinian people.

/shakes head



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Perfectly, honestly, and peacefully stated. Thank you so much for shining some light on this sickening attempt to incite further hatred and division. ...and how sad how so many people just eagerly jump on the bandwagon, like it's some kind of "aha moment" because someone posted some quotes.

I hope and pray peace comes to the middle east (and the world) soon. Honestly, I don't see how it can though. We can't even find it here amongst ourselves.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Yes, let’s get to the real truth.

Hamas suicide bombers are the cause of the border being blocked to Gaza.
Btw, it worked when the terrorist could no longer enter, they stopped.

Problem, Hamas suicide bombers.
Solution, prevent the animals from entering Israel.

Problem, the Hamas rocket and mortar attacks daily for over a month.
Solution, counter attack the terrorists until they no longer attack.

Truth, there will never be peace until someone(s) are willing to going to Gaza and stop the terrorist's.

Further, they must also punish them when they continue to attack, breaking truce and peace.

Truth, since no one is willing to do it, it falls on Israel to defend itself from the terrorists.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Even if Hamas did provoke Israel, the attack that Israel put into action is unacceptable. There are laws for war and for invading a country that Israel did not follow. You can't just go in and start slaughtering and bombing indiscriminately. Hamas did not kill anyone with there firecrackers that Israel calls rockets. Only 4 Israelis have died so far and that's just because of its own ground attacks, no civilians have died at the hands of Hamas in recent months.

Israel is not targeting Hamas they're targeting the Palestinian people in general. This is genocide and it disgusts me that the U.S. is the only country in the UN that blocked a cease fire. Over 500 Palestinians have been killed and over 2400 wounded, 30% of those casualties were children. There's no remorse. Something needs to be done.



[edit on 5-1-2009 by Total Reality]



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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Founding

David Ben Gurion and others made such comments before Israel even existed.What does that tell you? That they were gunning for the Palestinians even before day one.


Dracula23

They're taken out of context,are they.So where is your information to support this? I think you'll find that they are in context,but feel free to try and prove me wrong.The point is not shock value,the point is that these type of comments have been made since before Israel existed! And how unbelievable that people have starred a post that offers not a shred of evidence!



Odessy

Thank you for your post.I know there are many Israeli's who do not support the action of their government,another thread I did linked to unbiased sites run by Israeli's alone or Israeli's and Palestinians together.Which is why I tried to make it clear in the OP that only some agree with such action.

My point is that until the full truth is known,the situation cannot be resolved fairly.If people are totally biased one way or the other,there is always going to be problems.



Cythraul



This conflict is not about lives or revenge. It's a battle to claim the place where "God chose to rest his Divine Presence" once and for all.


I believe Temple Mount plays a large part in it,but there have been representatives of all 3 Abrahmic faiths in Jerusalem for centuries.It even goes back to the Crusades.When they took the city for the first time they were amazed to find that Muslim,Jews and Christians had their own quarters and areas that were communal.



FlyersFan

Dear Flyers,I thought you were ignoring me after being outclassed in several threads.Let me just check the OP....

Thats right,heres my explanation.

Because in this case ignorance does not equal bliss,it equals genocide.


Genocide not a good enough reason for you?



Europe



Its obvious that Israel is going to hate palestine.


Tell that to the 1000's of Israeli's who don't hate Palestine.



Anonymous



israel england supports your actions


Must be why 1000's took to the streets in protest.



heliosprime

The pictures are nothing to do with me,they are not in the OP.Open your eyes!



Bramble Iceshimmer

Well talk about good reasons to kill all Arabs!
You're a jackass.

God may have given them the land,but he also said he would take it from them if they didn't keep his laws and commandments.Have they done that? No.



Bombeni

I have used similar arguments,but with the Native Indians.If there was a large enough group of them to take over US land from the Rockies to the West coast,because their gods said it was there's;would the people in that area be happy with their land and homes being taken off them?



theindependentjournal

Yet again you are confusing the difference between anti-Israeli government and a Jew hater.Calling someone names is your only defense it would seem.

Nowhere in any thread involving Israel have I displayed hatred towards the Jewish faith.Nowhere have I said that all of those that follow Judaism must be punished or killed.What I have shown is my disdain for the actions of the Israeli government and my support to leaders on both sides being held accountable for the violence committed.

And unlike you,I do not see 'Jewish' as a race,I see it as a religion as a Jew can be of any and all skin colours.A person of one race cannot convert to another race,but you can convert from one religion to another.

And if your thread on black people involves condemming actions by governments and regimes such as those in Darfur and Zimbabwe,I will comment.If not,I will have no part in it.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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The truth about what is happening can be found here.

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of
trembling [drunkenness and reeling] unto all
the peoples round about...and it shall happen
in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very
heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave
it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all
nations of the earth are gathered against it.”
- Zechariah 12:2,3 NKJV

www.ifapray.org...



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Israel will wake up one day and realize, it is its own worst enemy. Israel’s use of a stacked deck ( i.e. cheating ) when playing with the lives of innocent Palestinians in Gaza, will someday come back to haunt them. The timeless laws of creation hold sway. Willful participants in the act of wholesale genocide inevitably become fettered to an incurred karmic debt. Anyone, who in their heart supports / participates in cold blooded murder, is sooner or later, up for serious cosmic payback.



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
This CRAP has already been posted by another JEW HATER in anotherthread, but don't fret the ATS Jew Haters will allow doubles of this one to remain, even though they pull all other doubles this one attacks the Jews, the ONE GROUP ATS loves to see wrongfully atacked and loves the lies like this CRAPOLA you've posted.

Do you have proof that this is crap or are you just ranting uncontrollably? I think it is the latter. Furthermore if you accuse ATS and it's members of all kinds of racist things without one shred of evidence then why not leave? I for one am offended by your generalising drivel so I would applaud if you did..


I have some things to say about Blacks I will be starting a thread about it soon and I will post the quotes of Blacks as you ave pretended to do here and we will see if my post slamming a race of people will last long, then the JDL will get copies of both. Your Thread allowed and my thread stopped...

This is NOT about a race of people. If you fail to see this you have alot to learn.


Why can't you admit you are a Jew Hating scumbag? You have lots of company in this world, hell Hamas is on our side as well as most Muslims as well as Nazis and KKK'ers, I think your company does give away your SLANT.

Since when does posting facts makes you a hater and even a racist according to your words. Maybe the truth is hard to swallow..




posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Jews have been booted from countries throughout history because they were causing trouble. The Israeli population is as uneducated as the American population in regards to history. You have to remember that the history books are written by the winners to fit their view of themselves and to advance their cause. The Israeli government will kill as many Jews as it takes for them to advance their agenda. Every person needs to understand that there is one power on this earth and it is held by those that hold and create the money. There are just a handful of families that have control of most of the worlds money and control all of the main stream media, publishing houses, magazines etc. They have had this control for hundreds of years.

Think about it, you can't run for congress unless you have millions of dollars but also need the media to give you time on the air and positive time at that. Until about 2006 I had preformed opinions about Muslims, Jews, blacks, whites, republicans, democrats etc. After much reading and conscious thought I began to see the bigger picture. All groups are controlled by the same money. Different teams working to the same end. They are just tag teaming us. Next is Obama, Socialism with a smile! Obama is for redistribution of wealth, just not the wealth of the elite. Not that he could do anything about if he wanted. Presidents that have tried to beat the bankers have all ended up dead with the exception of Andrew Jackson.

I challenge everyone to look at this conflict for what it is. It is genocide and it will not stop with the Palestinians. The bankers are at war with the people and if you think they look at us as anything less than animals you are blind. They don't need our money now they just need to take our power, divide us and kill us all.

We have been warned by republicans and democrats that that a WMD attack is coming to America. Laws have been passed to allow a military dictatorship. How will they do it? They will take the most simple items and make them impossible for most people to get and those things are FOOD AND CLEAN WATER.

How to kill America if you are a Rothschild. 1) devalue the dollar (crash the economy). 2) create mass panic through terror 3). cut off the supply of food. Once these are done we are dead because everyone will be looking at the Muslim boogyman who will be just as dead as we are.

Until everyone understands the history of the creation of money and how the rise and fall of every government throughout history has met the same fate then we are doomed to repeat history. The only difference today from 500 years ago is our technology. They people are still as ignorant as always.

Understand that when the USA falls we will see dark times for hundreds of years. Like Reagan said, once the US is gone there is nowhere else to go.

In the end, Israel is killing innocent people and very possible are firing rockets at themselves with a Hamas cover. Seriously, how can Hamas build rockets if they can't get out of their cage? Oh, the tunnel argument. I am sure Israel is fully aware of all of what goes on in Gaza and are helping the situation to go as planned. My question is while the world is distracted with Gaza what is going on behind our backs?? Maybe the big bang for the USA????

WAKE UP YOU DUMB #ERS!!



posted on Jan, 5 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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since is creation(1948), Israel is a popput Government, controled by
USA and UK, used to start a global war on the middles east as a prelude
to ww3 to install a one world government.





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