Finally the truth, I have read and researched many of these staements myself and many more besides. As I have stated on another thread, the Israelis/Jews have never hiden their hatred and racism of other peoples. Their contempt for human life is well docummneted as is their control and manipulation of America.

Lets just see how many nay sayers will come here and try to shout down these truths and facts. As Rabbi Rerrin said, 1 million arabs are not worth one Jewish finger nail such statements have all the signs of Hitlers Nazi Germany and if Jews act like Nazis then they should be called Nazis.

Did you read the p.s.?

PS. The above message is imaginary. What they wrote is not necessary what I said above, it could be worse, could be sweet� sweet? Damn, what ever they write, these are bombs that are going to fall on innocent�s heads! The girls might be signing the bombs to be send to Nasrallah and Hezbollah, but the bomb are falling on civilian heads, not Nasrallh!

That's just depressing. The whole world is going to hell in a handbasket and were along for the ride.

Thank you for the thread, something everybody should be looking at. I don't like to choose sides when it comes to human conflict, personally i find it extremely stupid for anybody to kill anybody for anything but tahts another story.

Flag and Star!

Originally posted by MischeviousElf

WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?

Someone has to take the pictures.

It's a sad thing. I know for a fact that Zionsim exists, and it's a thousand more times as evil as Nazism could ever hope to be.

I do believe Israel should be given to the Jew's, but not at the cost of eliminating another race, religion, group of people. Israel has been taking and taking, when Palestine gets tired and does something about it, they're hit as the evil ones.

But like I've said in so many posts, here on ATS and on other forums, neither country is innocent, however innocent lives are lost.



Peace,
FK

tothetenthpower

Thank you.

And I know it might seem like I'm taking sides.I am honestly not.I believe leaders and both sides should be held accountable for their actions.

I'm just tired and frustrated at many people's view of Israel.
Which is that of an innocent country who's only protecting itself.

Yet there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary and no one looks at it.They care too much and believe too much in the lies of Israel and various Western governments.

The propaganda goes both ways. One picture does not prove the injustice of Israel; If I was as ignorant as you, I would gladly post the video of the beheading of an American soldier by muslims. Is that what it takes to convince people?

Israel is not going anywhere. No amount of words will chance their geopolitical position. The arabs had their chances, just like every local population does when another people settle in. Its called migration, and it's very common in humanities history.

Good Work OP!

This was needed... Its all about politics, but also peoples, who supports that.

hmm thanks for the enlightening thread! I'm not going to be swayed tho. Both sides are blinded by their own actions. There is no justification, or lack of justification. There should be no winner or loser here. If destruction like that in Gaza was simply condemned in this situation, we wouldn't really need to worry about who's right and wrong, until after the "situation" (CIVILIANS IN HARMS WAY) was dealt with.

I'm reminded of southpark, yet again, when i'm in these deep thoughts
(there's a flood in a nearby town, the res's, trapped by flood..direct katrina reference)

"Aren't they going to rescue those people?"
"Well that doesn't really matter son. What matters is that we find out who's fault it is."......

I've gone from pro-palestine and back and forth, each time a new bit of info comes up. Recently tho, I've realized that it doesn't matter. Just get those people out, and then the rest can blow themselves to bits, in a nutshell. The fact that this isn't happening can only be out of sheer stupidity, or sheer evil. Combinations work as well. ....I guess what i'm saying is we're a bunch of hypocrites!!!!

I'm Israeli.
My family lives in Israel.
I visit every year.
So please listen, I have a pretty good understanding of the consensus over there.

As far as the quotes, I know I've said horrible things in anger, and may have even acted on some of those feelings if given the chance, that I regret.
When coffee shop, bus, mall, theatre suicide bombs go off in Israel (which is not uncommon), yes, people get angry.
Think back to 9/11, right here in the US, how many arabs and middle easterners were discriminated against?
its human nature I guess, to pick on people that are different from them. Sad, but true.

But the country is not about hate. Pride, maybe, but not hate.
And Pride they should have.
The Jews have been picked on throughout history, way before modern day wars. I'm talking way back to ancient times. I think we can agree on that.

Americans have pride too. Was 9/11 not an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan because the people were blinded by pure revenge?
Now look at Iraq. If I, or you, were an Iraqi child that had a family member killed by a US soldier (and statistically every family in Iraq has had that happened to them) would you not also bear arms against them?

Israel has to put up with this on a constant basis. But they try and make it work. We can go into certain parts of Egypt and Jordan, but god forbid we go too far in where Israeli's are treated as a black man in some deep south part of the US. We gave Egypt back the Sinai. Hell, we even gave Gaza back. But like most civilians said even when that was going on, it was only a temporary fix, and obviously they were right.

When Israel was deciding whether or not to give Gaza back, supporters hung blue ribbons from their cars. If you walked around israel at that time, you would be amazed to see almost every car driving by with one of those blue ribbons, or tied on a backpack, or hung outside a home.
Israelis want peace!
Of course. Why would you want to be threatened with suicide bombings and terrorist organizations. In fact, its not just the terrorists they are dealing with, its the other governments as well.
Us getting angry over a few words said in anger is regrettable, and especially, I would assume, for you OP with your avatar of M.L.K.jr.

I've seen so many threads lately displaying graphic videos or pictures of the battles, with titles like "Israelis murdering innocents."
Come on guys.
Look up news articles of every suicide bomb that has taken the lives of countless Israeli men, women, and children. They are graphic too.
Hell, look at the videos and read the news articles of what US soldiers have done in Iraq.
Its all awful.
Read about a pair of Israeli teenagers who were close to a border country. How they were captured, tied up to the back of a truck, and dragged throughout a neighboring town until they were dead.

Believe me Israel wants peace.
It wasnt but last summer I was over there when Israel was negotiating with Hamas to release the bodies of 2 soldiers that were captured nearly 2 years prior and were killed by the group in exchange for a live prisoner Israel had captured of a man who was renowned for murdering entire families, including the women and children, in front of eachother. What a horrible trade for Israel. But was that not also to try and spread some peace?
I know that if I were over there, I would much rather be held in an Israeli jail than any other nation in the middle east.

The point is, evil begets evil.
Bad things happen, terrible things are said, on ALL sides.
Women and children get caught in the crossfire. Its awful.
And even worse, threads like these, only further that hate and discrimination.

If we are who we say we are, we wouldnt single out an entire nation, religion, race (and saying "not everyone" does not mean your not singling out).
Yes they news needs to be spread, but why in such horrible ways.
We know war is awful. I doubt anybody in a war wants to be there, in the middle of it, actually doing the dirty work.

anyway, I know its a long post, but I hope you read all of it.
Go outside. See these countries if you can. Talk to the people. No one wants this.

Originally posted by Dracula23
Each one of these quotes were taken out of context.

Proof please.

I would be more then happy to send quotes from Hamas, the Iranian president and most Arab leaders and you will find those quotes made recently much more shocking.

Please enlighten me how showing quotes from Iran and Hamas makes the quotes from the OP any less disturbing?

And "most Arab leaders"? Again do you have proof of this bold claim or are you just generalising to give more weight to your argument?


[edit on 5/1/09 by Fastwalker81]

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Finally the truth, I have read and researched many of these staements myself and many more besides. As I have stated on another thread, the Israelis/Jews have never hiden their hatred and racism of other peoples. Their contempt for human life is well docummneted as is their control and manipulation of America.

Lets just see how many nay sayers will come here and try to shout down these truths and facts. As Rabbi Rerrin said, 1 million arabs are not worth one Jewish finger nail such statements have all the signs of Hitlers Nazi Germany and if Jews act like Nazis then they should be called Nazis.

are you not also just spreading hate by calling Jews racist?

WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?

Off fighting and killing terrorists, I hope.

GREAT shot! Hopefully one of those shells ended up on the head of a Hamas terrorist.