Why do Americans Hate Palestinians, page 1
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reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 02:54 PM by FlyersFan
reply to post by magicmushroom



ANOTHER THREAD?

How many of these Gaza threads do we need?
Everyone jumps on and says the same exact things over and over.

To the OP ... Here ya' go. And no - these are REAL and not debunked.

FOX News
NBC News
CNN News

Your opening post was full of all the 'poor palestinian' buzz words but it FAILS to admit that HAMAS - and the elected leadership of the 'palestinian' people - hide behind the civilians and run their operations out of civilian infrastructure.

Israel has a right to defend itself.
Dead 'palestinians'? Hamas is at fault.

As for caring .. the carnage is awful but there is nothing I can do about it.

Hamas could end it all in a minute, but they won't listen to me.
And probably neither will you.



reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 04:35 PM by rangersdad
reply to post by magicmushroom



I have nothing against the Palestinians, but I do however have something against Hamas. What does Hamas expect to happen when they fire rockets and missles over the border into Israel on a daily basis??



reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 04:42 PM by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by magicmushroom



Blanket statements of hate help no one. Indeed I think your title is false and totally uncalled for because I am quite certain the majority of americans have just as much sympathy for the palestinians as they do for the israelis, perhaps even more.

It is true that the american government has for the most part been pro-israeli for many decades and I guess the reason is that jews exert a lot of influence where it counts. European leaders on the other hand are less vocal and pretend to be neutral. The key word is *pretend*...

I think what it all boils down to is that no one really likes fanatics whether it be jews, muslims, christians, taoists, budhists, etc... It is ok to believe whatever you want, just don't kill to get your point across. Hamas wants to expel all the jews out of palestine and ultra-right jews want the same for the arabs. As long as such people remain in power, especially on the palestinian side, then we will never have peace.


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 04:42 PM by MegaCurious
reply to post by magicmushroom



I don't hate Palestinians. I don't even hate Hamas. I mean, these are being starved slaughtered, and they need someone to protect them obviously.

But of course, I"m a black american, so I can identify with it when folks are being oppressed. On the other hand, most of the folks that you see saying that Israel should kill more people are white americans. Big difference, very different experiences, very different lifestyles, treated *very* differently in the United States. The majority of cities (actually probably all of them) are split up, with blacks on one side, and everyone else on the other. I mean, you have the East side, the west side, the north side, the south side. Black americans do not choose to separate themselves from folks... the other Americans do.

So now, you can see the answer to your question. The reason that Americans hate Palestinians is because alot of them are taught from birth to hate. They grow up with the order passed down from father to son to hate folks. They're friends hate. They even teach them in grade school and high school that Israel is the good side. You then have to take a test on it, and if you choose the wrong answer you loose the points.

Okay, so why is it not on the news that they hate in America?? Well, because, then you wouldn't go for all these wars and things trying to spread so called "freedom and democracy".


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 04:44 PM by lucidclouds
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to
post by magicmushroom


Your opening post was full of all the 'poor palestinian' buzz words but it FAILS to admit that HAMAS - and the elected leadership of the 'palestinian' people - hide behind the civilians and run their operations out of civilian infrastructure.

Israel has a right to defend itself.
Dead 'palestinians'? Hamas is at fault.

As for caring .. the carnage is awful but there is nothing I can do about it.

Hamas could end it all in a minute, but they won't listen to me.
And probably neither will you.




What about the innocent palestinians?

Yes hamas are at fault but so are the israelis. To top it off the israelis have more power, therefore as the OP said, should take the lead in making peace.

So your saying that israel has the right to defend itself the way it is doing, so how should palestine react? Die out?


To the OP, I'm from the u.s. and I hate to see genocide, and see so many supporting it.


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 05:24 PM by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by lucidclouds
What about the innocent palestinians?


In any conflict, minor or major, innocent civilians always get killed.


Yes hamas are at fault but so are the israelis. To top it off the israelis have more power, therefore as the OP said, should take the lead in making peace.


I am glad you can see both sides of the story, however, I disagree that "Israel should take the lead in making peace since they are stronger". That is twisted logic at best....

Israel is the strongest nation in the middle east because they have to be if they want to maintain their sovereinty and integrety. All the countries in that region dislike "foreigners" and as such would not think twice of annihilating Isreal.


So your saying that israel has the right to defend itself the way it is doing, so how should palestine react? Die out?


Good point! Israel is guilty of overkill and indeed the damage done to palestine is much more than the damage done to Israel but who can really blame them if they are *sick and tired* of being attacked on such a frequent basis? Rockets exploding into peoples home, bus bombings, etc.

If I were the israeli defence minister I would have sent in army troops from the beginning rather than bomb suspected buildings and other hideouts. I think bombing from the air is the cowards way and really it doesn't accomplish much since terrorists constantly change locations. If you want to do it right you gotta search every building and physically collect as much weaponry as possible.


To the OP, I'm from the u.s. and I hate to see genocide, and see so many supporting it.


I don't support genocide either but I am not using "genocide" as an excuse to hate the jews. Indeed if it was an actual genocide tens of thousands would be dead instead of a few hundred. Clearly this is not the case, is it?

[edit on 4-1-2009 by EarthCitizen07]


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 06:38 PM by Anonymous ATS
To the OP- I can think of several contributing reasons.

1) Americans have never properly felt remorse for their ancestors' stealing the land from the native american tribes and then slaughtering them because they were in the way. In fact, they feel pride in their dark accomplishment, as though they were the great advanced white gods bringing civlization to the "savages", as though they were heroes for stomping out any native americans who dared to fight back. Because they feel no regret, they project their pride onto the parallel situation of Israel taking palestine and slaughtering all the arabs.

2) Because so many jews (the ashkanazis in particular) are basically european in origin, and because there are so many nice civilized european jews living in america, americans find it easier to identify with the jews as "us" versus an arabic "them".

2b) Skin color. They perceive european jews as being "whiter" than palestinian arabs.

3) For all the christian americans, the fact that half their bible is from judaism means that they get a lot of indoctrination into the idea of some "god" selecting jews as a naturally superior chosen race. And because jesus was a jew, they further identify with jews as being a holy "us".

4) They resent the price of gasoline, and the arab elites who they feel are unworthy of taking all their hard earned money. So they blame all arabs.

5) Their government tells them, through endless media stereotypes and spun information, to hate arabs. And they are good little sheeple.



reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 08:12 PM by lucidclouds
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by lucidclouds
What about the innocent palestinians?


In any conflict, minor or major, innocent civilians always get killed.


Yes hamas are at fault but so are the israelis. To top it off the israelis have more power, therefore as the OP said, should take the lead in making peace.


I am glad you can see both sides of the story, however, I disagree that "Israel should take the lead in making peace since they are stronger". That is twisted logic at best....

Israel is the strongest nation in the middle east because they have to be if they want to maintain their sovereinty and integrety. All the countries in that region dislike "foreigners" and as such would not think twice of annihilating Isreal.


So your saying that israel has the right to defend itself the way it is doing, so how should palestine react? Die out?


Good point! Israel is guilty of overkill and indeed the damage done to palestine is much more than the damage done to Israel but who can really blame them if they are *sick and tired* of being attacked on such a frequent basis? Rockets exploding into peoples home, bus bombings, etc.

If I were the israeli defence minister I would have sent in army troops from the beginning rather than bomb suspected buildings and other hideouts. I think bombing from the air is the cowards way and really it doesn't accomplish much since terrorists constantly change locations. If you want to do it right you gotta search every building and physically collect as much weaponry as possible.


To the OP, I'm from the u.s. and I hate to see genocide, and see so many supporting it.


I don't support genocide either but I am not using "genocide" as an excuse to hate the jews. Indeed if it was an actual genocide tens of thousands would be dead instead of a few hundred. Clearly this is not the case, is it?

[edit on 4-1-2009 by EarthCitizen07]


Israel has had chances to make two seprate states, to end conflict, but when it came down to it, they said no. I'm not saying palestine has been open arms. They certainly have not.

There have been times when the two did live in peace. So I can't agree that they are the strongest nation because they have to be.

This conflict will be endless. If israel is sick and tired of being attacked, so in responce it attacks, then you get palestine being sick and tired, so they attack...it will never stop.

Maybe genocide is the wrong word, but its bloodshed nontheless.

Also please don't think I hate jews. Everyone who knows me, knows that I hate racism.


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 08:57 PM by VinceP1974
I don't hate Palestinians. On the other hand, I full realize what their "mission" is. The so-called Palestinians are a people who have been deliberately manipulated to be a thorn in Israel's side. They are the vanguard of Islam's Jihad against Israel.

They are as much a danger to my country (USA) as they are to Israel.

They destroyed Lebanon, they tried to destroy Jordan. They have not been given an opportunity to destroy Egypt.

HAMAS is the Palestianian division of the Muslim Brotherhood.. whose goal is worldwide imposition of Sharia law and domination by Muslims.

The MuslimBrotherhood is engaged in a cultural and legal transformation in the USA.

Therefore I recognize the Palestinians as the enemy that they are. I don't hate them. I don't act from my emotions, I act from reason.

Sermon delivered by Ahmad Bahr, acting speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, from Hamas, which aired on Sudan TV on April 13,
2007


America will be annihilated, while Islam will remain. The Muslims 'will be victorious, if you are believers.' Oh Muslims, I guarantee you that the power of Allah is greater than America, by whom many are blinded today. Some people are blinded by the power of America. We say to them that with the might of Allah, with the might of His Messenger, and with the power of Allah, we are stronger than America and Israel."

"The Palestinian woman bids her son farewell, and says to him: 'Son, go and don't be a coward. Go, and fight the Jews.' He bids her farewell and carries out a martyrdom operation. What did this Palestinian woman say when she was asked for her opinion, after the martyrdom of her son? She said: 'My son is my own flesh and blood. I love my son, but my love for Allah and His Messenger is greater than my love for my son.' Yes, this is the message of the Palestinian woman, who was over 70 years old - Fatima Al-Najjar. She was over 70 years old, but she blew herself up for the sake of Allah, bringing down many criminal Zionists."

"Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet - defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them."

==============

Let them eat grass.


reply posted on 4-1-2009 @ 09:03 PM by jd140
Originally posted by MegaCurious
reply to
post by magicmushroom



I don't hate Palestinians. I don't even hate Hamas. I mean, these are being starved slaughtered, and they need someone to protect them obviously.

But of course, I"m a black american, so I can identify with it when folks are being oppressed. On the other hand, most of the folks that you see saying that Israel should kill more people are white americans. Big difference, very different experiences, very different lifestyles, treated *very* differently in the United States. The majority of cities (actually probably all of them) are split up, with blacks on one side, and everyone else on the other. I mean, you have the East side, the west side, the north side, the south side. Black americans do not choose to separate themselves from folks... the other Americans do.

So now, you can see the answer to your question. The reason that Americans hate Palestinians is because alot of them are taught from birth to hate. They grow up with the order passed down from father to son to hate folks. They're friends hate. They even teach them in grade school and high school that Israel is the good side. You then have to take a test on it, and if you choose the wrong answer you loose the points.

Okay, so why is it not on the news that they hate in America?? Well, because, then you wouldn't go for all these wars and things trying to spread so called "freedom and democracy".


So you can relate to the Palestinians because you are black? Get some perspective and stop with the woe is me attitude.
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