Police set to step up hacking of home PCs, page 8

privacy

Pages: << 5 6 7 8 >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 31 times

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 05:13 PM by MrAnonUK

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm sorry if I sound off topic but may I ask what the hell happened in Europe? I used to envy you guys because you had leaders that were more caring of civil rights and leaders who made less arrogant decisions. I can't honestly believe that you're letting your governments do this to you. How can you stand for this? Here in the USA the Bush administration only looks at emails and phone calls, but, you're going to be letting your governments go one step further and looking at your personal stuff. I used to think Europe was cool. Now it's becoming too like the future that Orwellian imagined.

I am outraged as to why you're just sitting there and just taking it. Do you let your governments do whatever they want to you? Why don't you just let them walk in your home and take your stuff and inspect your personal belongings?

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

How on earth have you come to that conclusion, the fact that people are viewing the issue as something to consider largely is mention enough.

You and the poster immediately before you must have some hidden agenda, please take a long hard look in the mirror and events of your own nation before commenting.

What are pair of morons, it's a shame for your fellow nationals that people likes yourselves are so often held up as the poster children for your nation. Congratulations for showing exactly why so much of the world holds your nations perceived arrogance with such contempt.

Edit: the poster I was supposed to have mentioned is in actual fact 2 above your own.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by MrAnonUK]

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 05:27 PM by songthrush

Originally posted by MrAnonUK

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm sorry if I sound off topic but may I ask what the hell happened in Europe? I used to envy you guys because you had leaders that were more caring of civil rights and leaders who made less arrogant decisions. I can't honestly believe that you're letting your governments do this to you. How can you stand for this? Here in the USA the Bush administration only looks at emails and phone calls, but, you're going to be letting your governments go one step further and looking at your personal stuff. I used to think Europe was cool. Now it's becoming too like the future that Orwellian imagined.

I am outraged as to why you're just sitting there and just taking it. Do you let your governments do whatever they want to you? Why don't you just let them walk in your home and take your stuff and inspect your personal belongings?

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

How on earth have you come to that conclusion, the fact that people are viewing the issue as something to consider largely is mention enough.

You and the poster immediately before you must have some hidden agenda, please take a long hard look in the mirror and events of your own nation before commenting.

What are pair of morons, it's a shame for your fellow nationals that people likes yourselves are so often held up as the poster children for your nation. Congratulations for showing exactly why so much of the world holds your nations perceived arrogance with such contempt.

Edit: the poster I was supposed to have mentioned is in actual fact 2 above your own.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by MrAnonUK]

Sorry, I have to agree with Frankidealist35, and as a UK citizen all the more so. Calling the poster a moron was out of order. They are far from that and see things quite clearly.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 05:36 PM by MrAnonUK

reply to post by songthrush

Surely someone trying to be provocative and using this site and thread out of context can be considered a moron. It's clear to see that we are not happy about it, to talk as if anything different is achievable here or there by either sets of people is a moronic statement. Check the definition.

Consider it for one damn moment, the worlds citizens are all limited in power against there respective governments, so his statement is utterly pointless and not needed considering the post clear sensitivity upon consideration when submitting such statements. It's like me saying, hey because you didn't get Bush thrown in prison after 9-11 your all a joke, I cannot believe your taking it, I have no respect for Americans any more, countless other moronic comments I could make in a similar vein.. but it's just [bleep] making such statements.

You stand up for the person as if his approach to the post was correct, when anyone other than a moron can see it's potentially offensive and an insulting way of putting it forward to people that are clearly not happy standing for the situation in the first place, rendering his post mute and utterly (unless there is a hidden agenda, which noooo I'm sure there isn't) pointless.

If we had come on saying such things in the past during events their nation had endured it'd be an entirely different kettle of fish.

Edit: Please, take a second to check the definition of moronic and moron, then tell me to state "I cannot believe your sitting there taking this" before anything has actually happened does not match the definition you just looked at.

Actually, forget it. I'll just return the favour next time I see the anything allowing me to claim that of there peoples springs up, seeing as it's perfectly acceptable, more acceptable than the grave life threatening injustice of stating someone is being moronic.

Un bloody believable.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by MrAnonUK]

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 08:06 PM by tac109

reply to post by MrAnonUK

So your telling me that you have no problem with the government having 100% control over your life? Thats where your heading.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:47 PM by SeenAndNeverHeard

It's Nerds who invented the web, it's nerds who will have to do the hacking
The people who run the show, don't know the technology. ^_^

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:14 AM by oconnection

Unless there is some sort of secret unknown back door that we all don't know about most people can secure there home PC. I'd like to see them hack my box. I'd laugh as I monitor all the incoming attempts from government addresses.

I'm sure this sort of thing has been going on in the States for a very long time. Until recently it was denied that searches were done without warrants because it was illegal but I'm sure it was done.

The government in the United States had it's hand in telecommunications from day one but this doesn't mean that every activity online is subject to review by them, even though that's what they want you to believe.

The more I read this stuff the move I believe the governments around the world are becoming more and more paranoid of there own population.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 07:59 AM by SkepticalSpectacle

Originally posted by solidshot

Police set to step up hacking of home PCs

www.timesonline.co.uk

THE Home Office has quietly adopted a new plan to allow police across Britain routinely to hack into people’s personal computers without a warrant.

The move, which follows a decision by the European Union’s council of ministers in Brussels, has angered civil liberties groups and opposition MPs. They described it as a sinister extension of the surveillance state which drives “a coach and horses” through privacy laws.

The hacking is known as “remote searching”. It allows police or MI5 officers who may be hundreds of miles away to examine covertly the hard drive of someone’s PC at his home, office or hotel room.

Material gathered in this way includes the content of all e-mails, web-browsing habits and instant messaging.
(visit the link for the full news article)

So why is this a problem if you have nothing to hide?

There's nothing wrong with this if you are not a criminal. Only a criminal would be afraid.

So if you are afraid of the authorities peeking inside your computer then don't use the Internet then.

Otherwise there's no need to be afraid of the authorities peeking inside your computer unless you have kiddie porn or plans for making a home made bomb or other illegal endevours.

Authorities are there to protect and to serve. So if you are afraid then you have something illegal to hide. Then that makes you a criminal.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:10 AM by morg9000

reply to post by solidshot

A great post, thanks for bringing it to my attention )..

I aggree with the OP regarding George Orwell. This has me a little bit concerned but has got me thinking at the same time.

What possible reason could they have to want to do this? Looks like we're all potential terrorists now. If this goes ahead then it will likely anger the population (I would hope)

I aggree the average user's security's not going to be up to the task.

I did ponder the thought for a moment, all they would need to do would be to contact the local ISP and retrieve whatever relevent or offending data from the provider however having previously worked for a popular ISP in the past this would be laughable considering the huge task of storing past history for every customer or even lengthy logs. Also what would this do to the data protection laws that are already in place?

I wonder how much of this is just down to scare mongering?? With a decent firewall with alerts and port monitoring enabled, certain services like remote registry and the messenger service "DISABLED" it isnt going to be as easy as they think to hack into your system as you would believe.

I suppose the pop based email method would be the simplest way for them to get access via a trojan but the simplest method around that is to only use web based email and only open files and emails from the contacts you already know and trust.

Whats next I wonder?

Morgs
"MICROSOFT WORKS" now thats a bold statement

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:53 AM by Anonymous ATS

Everyone seems so concerned with your Hard Drives being prodded. The data that is on your computer didn't come from a 1.44MB floppy disk. It was injected into your computer over a high-speed connection which had to go through an ISP to get there. The ISP companies are happy to hand over your data just as quickly as hotels will open the rooms for the police. Everyone should consider learning the tools that the Govt. uses to get information. A good place to start is here: www.e-fense.com... . Remember: If you want to truly keep something a secret; keep it in your head.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 04:09 PM by ArMaP

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

True, but you are forgetting that some of us create their own documents.

reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 09:31 AM by MrAnonUK

reply to post by tac109

Yeah yeah change the record, all I know is for the time being the vast majority of citizens in the UK are leading happy lives, it's sentiments LIKE yours that are perhaps only suggesting an utter lack of appreciation for the nation you're fortunate enough to live in. Some patriot.

If you wish to worry about a supposed total control over lifestyle then so be it, for the time being though I'm accepting the fact that I'm fortunate enough to lead a free(ish, but non lawless) life.

Also, if you had read back to earlier posts you would have seen I'm not overly concerned about this measure. It in no way threatens me as I'm a largely law abiding citizen. The only concern I would have is if this threads mentioned system comes under the control of shall we say, undesirables.

If you wish to spend time concerned over a currently mythical supposed total control over humanity so be it. I'm going to continue enjoying life the best I can until something considerable enough (in my opinion) causes me concern. At the same time not fear mongering whilst claiming to be a patriot of any sort.

I feel perhaps patriotism should in cases like this be re-defined to positive-patriotism or pessimistic-patriotism. I'll certainly stand firm and proud alongside the positive-patriots. Life really isn't currently that bad, nor does it actually show sign or changing in any major way for generations.

The day I have reason to be concerned that my life style is threatened, is the day I seek people with plans of action rather than idol fear and pessimism.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by MrAnonUK]

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 12:36 AM by tac109

reply to post by MrAnonUK

So your saying a true American Patriot should have no problem giving up all their liberties to feel safe? Because thats what my constitution tells me not to do.

reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 12:49 AM by desertdreamer

Wait a minute! Here is one of my favorite parts.....

He said the authorities could break into a suspect’s home or office and insert a “key-logging” device into an individual’s computer.

So, if they think that you may be doing something illegal with your computer, they just go ahead and BREAK the law by entering your home with no warrant and install keylogger software on your computer.

Oh wait a minute....here is another favorite one!

Police might also send an e-mail to a suspect’s computer. The message would include an attachment that contained a virus or “malware”. If the attachment was opened, the remote search facility would be covertly activated. Alternatively, police could park outside a suspect’s home and hack into his or her hard drive using the wireless network.

So, they can spam you, and send you malware just to get access to your computer....oh, and they can sit outside your house and illegally get on your wireless network.

If I were to do any of these things, I would be thrown under the jail! I LOVE IT! They get to do all the things that they prosecute people for....now there is some inscentive to be a cop!

reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 04:56 PM by Juksey

Another breach of our rights, by doing this they jsut start making more home grown terrorists instead of extremists ones.

i believe in Human rights and a man can only loose his rights by harming another. I believe that the government should listen to the public as people are getting sick of the EU and This crappy government which gives criminals and corporations more rights that its own citizens.

people talk about a new world order (which i dont believe) well i would prefere a new government first that way we can stop all this beurcrat nonsense and spend the money preventing extremism agaisnt our country and our allies preventing the need for the police to brake our human rights.

Another example of the government causing more problems in hope of solving one problem i think they need to get some common sense and start using it.

Pages: << 5 6 7 8 >> ^^TOP^^