Illegal material or not I do not like the idea of any group having access to my internet activity,determaning what kind of a person I am.

Originally posted by sty
well, nothing to hide here. Yet. However, I am concerned that at a point in the future, accessig ATS could be classified as hatery of terrorism, is it? just reading a different point of view on politics can be a form of rebelion. I hope that the day will never come but the tools are there..

Once the systems in place whats to stop our government? Truely my faith in the government has eroded so much over the years (the decision to get involved in the Iraq war was a big catylist) they fail to listen to people, they fully believe they are making the best decisions for the greater good.

We need Democracy 2.0 and we need it fast!

Originally posted by Kaifan

Yeah, having the source makes all the difference, windows drivers works in a stack, so drivers which are up on the stack won't know about drivers which are on lower levels, it could be something like, you can place a driver on the 0 place on the stack, but the backdoor is at -1, sound rather dumb to say it like this, and it really isn't like that, but you get the idea, but anyway, there are a lot more ways to handle that, although you can label "back-door" almost anything these days, for example they can insert a bug on purpose just so that they can use it to enter the system or they can add code so that if you send certain specific byte string to the network stack it gives you access to the system, these are just ideas but since they could have access to the source code for windows, that could happen, and here we must think, will Microsoft really would dare to allow that?

How about external firewalls, if using shall we say 'open-source' software to operate them? (then it brings me to the question, could code be added into the open-source software that could be undetected by the public able to read the code?)

Thank you very much for your informative replies as well, making interesting reading.


Edit: I suppose that is a mute point anyway, because this back-door would attach itself to a 'legitimate' program that an external firewall would be granting the receipt of packets to and from.

[edit on 4-1-2009 by MrAnonUK]

democracy will never work because people are to easily influenced.Just look at things like x factor or pop idol.

what programs are used for this kind of intrusion.

For people who are talking about open source software and the possibility of adding code into the program without the knowledge of the users would be near impossible.

All open source software when you download it has what is called a MD5 checksum. This is a key generated specifically for the file you are downloading, and if even one byte is changed in the source code then the MD5 will not match up. This is the whole reason for it, so people cannot try to sneak code into open source software.

Originally posted by deadline527
For people who are talking about open source software and the possibility of adding code into the program without the knowledge of the users would be near impossible.

All open source software when you download it has what is called a MD5 checksum. This is a key generated specifically for the file you are downloading, and if even one byte is changed in the source code then the MD5 will not match up. This is the whole reason for it, so people cannot try to sneak code into open source software.

Certainly something I'll look out for then when trying to find security software in the future. But in this case it is no use, as such a method this thread mentions would simply need to attach itself to a 'legitimate' program to allow the transit of packets back and forth.

So surely it'd render it near impossible to prevent as Microsoft I'm sure will gladly help incorporate the back-door, leaves me out of ideas for means of prevention. would it be impossible?

Yikes!

Why are we in a constant fight with the "officials"
to try to maintain what little freedom we have left?
When did anyone have the right to gather our information on this level?
It's just gets crazier with each passing day.

Considering how many corrupt cops are around out there- this means your credit card numbers, personal files, anything and everything that goes with your identity can and WILL be stolen so Joe Pig can destroy your life. Legal recourse? They'll plant something really nice on your PC, arrest you, and then- bye bye. You're toast.

Forget playing games. This nonsense needs to be stopped. NOW.

They already can hack into your computer if they think you are one of them a**h*l** who have pictures of you know what. So they can use that same technology cant they?

We need to stand up and fight for our freedoms.

[edit on 4-1-2009 by meadowfairy]

Hey all,

There appears to be a lot of disinformation regarding cryptography and windows in this particular thread. Even the 24 year old person with the .pl file that creates an open telnet session isn't quite correct, but he's close. Even to run his .pl file you would have to have access to the svchost fle, or its ports. Exploits of this nature need to actually exploit running software on listen ports or have access beyond a router. (by the way, telnet is broadcast in plain text, so is your email, web surfing and most of what you do online. Don't take my word for it, try Kismet and see for yourself)

Windows has always had a back door. It was built in to the kernel code long long time ago, so that the PTB would be able to either shut off your access to your computer if they so desired, or access information on your windows PC.
(can't have no unfriendly nation using multilingual windows to attack the US now can we) No additional software is required, no virus need be installed and he A/V vendors are already censoring software that the government doesn't want you to have by classing the software as "Hack tools". So your A/V will not find what the government doesn't want you to see.

There is on many systems already a key logger. In fact, there are more than one. The first has been reported to be in your keyboard. A small plastic square about an inch in length interrupting the keyboard and your PC. The second, is embedded into the actual chipset on your mother board. This was discovered by the U.S. D.O.D when they were auditing the chips on the actual hardware as most of these chips are made for pennies in China. Seems like a considerable security hole if you ask me.

Ethernet over power. Already heavily tested and functioning in several areas, but doesn't have the same profilation as cable, or dsl. The theory is that the wave of static around high power lines is capable of transferring information. I seem to remember that you would only need a small 60Hz converter to plug into your wall to actually be able to use this. So it is possible, but unlikely that the PTB would use it to hack your PC. The system still needs a protocol to be accessed, just plugging it in isn't enough.

Encryption. ALL Encryption that has been made in the USA has a backdoor that the government can use to decrypt. The last argument I heard go through the US courts was with respect to PGP. (Pretty Good Privacy) The courts stated that PGP was almost criminal as it supplied a level of encryption that rivaled the stuff the US military uses. Only encryption that has been developed outside of the USA would potentially not have a backdoor accessible by the U.S PTB. So DES, triple DES, blowfish RSA are all out. The suggestion is to use IDEA encryption developed by Finland. Again your mileage may vary with that, but Finland doesn't recognize many of the "Hacking" issues as crimes.

Your best bet, is linux, either on a live cd, or something that has a huge file you can scrub quickly. (wubi-installer.org)

Lastly, writing zero's to your disk is useful, but as I recall there has been an ability to write to your drive in the areas between the sectors. Appearantly it is possible to store a root kit in this area. Google "Reserved Sectors". In Canada, the best way to destroy a hard drive has been to drill it with your average drill. Many holes make reading close to impossible, for you or for them.

Thanks for reading.
..ex

editied for grammer.

[edit on 1/4/2009 by v3_exceed]