Police set to step up hacking of home PCs

Police set to step up hacking of home PCs

www.timesonline.co.uk
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And yet again we take a step further towards the world of George Orwell, what with the removal for a warrant being needed before they intrude upon your privacy it seems that it will only be the terrorist and criminals that will be safe as they will just use a heavy duty encryption or hidden partition whilst the average joe wont bother/ wont know about these.

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply to post by solidshot

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I am sure that they are steps that you can take to prevent this.
Maybe turning off your router, if not, unplug your wireless adapter etc.

This is scary and all we will here is that this is a anti-terror step and the normal carp about if you have done nothing you have nothing to fear.

I am interested how they will do this.

From reading the article it looks like they try and get you to put key logging software on you PC, via an infected email.

I also wonder how many people including suspected criminals don't keep their systems secure and up to date.

The biggest worry to me is the planting of evidence on your PC, if they were out to get you, what stops them from uploading files and pictures?

They don't need to plant it, enough random searching will eventually throw up some pop-ups which inturn will lead to something illegal.

Then they have you...through no fault of your own... But what the heck...I just wonder if the governments computers will fall under the same surveillance

reply to post by solidshot

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This doesn't surprise me. Everyone can fight against this is a fairly easy way too, if they would just do it. I'm talking about running Linux on your machine instead of Microsoft Windows. With Linux you can secure against intrusion like Windows can never door, because of the built in back door to the NSA. I think the file name is ADAPTI.NSA.DLL, or close to that. You can find it in your windows computer.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Would be a very very bad move. This just opens the doors up to both systems.

If I ever thought it was happening to me and I wouldn't have to think too hard because I would know very quickly. That would make them viable targets for myself and good luck keeping any evidence because after I got through with the back door intruder they would be lucky if I didn't flash their bios on the next re-start.

Jail you say? Well then all I say is self defense. Heck I could write a program to auto-initiate everything at the first sign of it and have alibis of co-workers and a time sheet showing I was at work at the time of the self defense initiating.

Actually I'm getting kind of excited thinking about it lol could test out some idea's I've always had but didn't dare try.

There are some unexplained things in that article (as usual).

Does this applies only to the UK, although is something from the EU? From what I read I got the idea that other EU countries can use this "UK specific" situation and ask for "cooperation" from UK police. I am right?

And, the biggest unanswered question, how do they get access to the computers? Are they expecting cooperation from the Anti-Malware companies, for example?

PS: the NSA in Windows link is a very old (before 2000, I think) scare tactic, that file is no backdoor to the NSA, and none was ever really found. If they have one then is better hidden than that.

Well I hope my computer gives them as much trouble as it does me... They will need a virtual army to invade mine, it is the worst!

I wonder if they will do some virus clean up while they are at it?

Cmon man, give us the links for such programs to fry intruders bioses

Now that I think about it more this is the dumbest idea I ever heard and here's why.

They pull email's and I would assume any attachments to the email would go with it.

Man you could really mess up their system and have thousands of hackers gaining access to it through a few simple programs. Sure virus checkers are updated frequently but you only need one good one to work once before the update comes out to really mess with their entire system and possibly their entire network.

Man this could be a network administrators nightmare.

It's not quite that simple and besides anyone mentioning something like that specifically I assume would be banned from here.

hehe they would hate mine lol first one needs to get through the multiple firewall and then figure out which sys on the network is the working one lol . that is if they can trace my ip lol. Then they might be letting me see what is on theirs lol. I set up networks and build systems so let em come . And I am a paronoid person when it comes to my main . Star for the heads up though.

[edit on 1/4/2009 by BlackKnight7365]

Any of you ever wonder why on the label plates of most electronic equipment here in the States it says...."FCC Type Accepted."

I think sometimes it says ."Complies with FCC regulations FCC Type Accepted.

I first noticed this on simple AM/FM radios but later on telephone answer machines. Televisions...now computers, and other goodies.

You Folks do know that many answer machines have a special code you can access on your telephone/cell phone keypad and access your answere machine at home ..entering the code you can listen in on what is happening in your room. You can monitor your room/home even though you are somewhere else.

Do you think this stuff is not already built in your computers...by an access code/program. How about your cable box?? Cell phone...etc etc.
Even two way radios are being built with GPS features in them.

Look for it on equipment ..FCC TYPE ACCEPTED. They dont do this stuff for your convenience. IF you think this ..you took a big bite out of the apple in public school.

Orangetom

reply to post by solidshot

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Hey, this is obvious, it's part of this "New world order" crap. Just like the "Patriot act" that George Bush passed here in the U.S. where military officials dont need any warrant at all and are not even required to announce themselves, they can just surprisingly come busting into your house at any time! It is a total breach toour rights, our safety, our freedom and our privacy. Now they want to see what you write in your E-mails! Yes this is the work of Satan. NEXT THEY WILL PASS LEGISLATION TO BE ABLE TO RIP OPEN EVERY ONES ENVELOPES AND EVEN WRAPPED CHRISTMAS PRESENTS and then the postal systems will go out of business and the global elite will be one more step ahead in squashing all of us into the dirt. And yes, the terrorists and violent criminals will not be effected by this passage, it will only hurt us law abiding folks. But then these global elite, like the ones who passed this internet hacking bill, are the biggest criminals in the world and they only want to hurt us who are law abiding working folks. Maybe they would treat us better if we all became murderers like them and went out to kill them.

Whether that is a possibility or not (personally I wouldn't be surprised) there would be a lot more arrests going on. Every person with an MP3 with no record of it being purchased, every person with a movie, etc would be going to court to defend themselves.

Several of my friends would be in jail.

Not saying the potential isn't there but if it was and was being used we would already know about it.

In the article hotels are mentioned more than once.

Both wired and wireless networks for guest use are normally on separate cabling and different IP address range and quite often on their own internet connection.

A hotel doesn't want to risk someone hacking into their system and changing the billing system.

If it is on a separate network then it would be easy for the police to install a packet sniffer on that network and just leave it running.

Also most hotel staff don't think twice about letting the police into a guest room while they are out. If hotels aren't helpful towards the police then they can have "problems" renewing their liquor licence.

As far as I'm aware UK security services have been doing this for some time, this simply makes it legal. Given the majority of the population are not very tech savvy their solution wouldn't need to be that complex, although I imagine its more complex than just a key logger. The only evidence I have for this is talking to people who work in these organisations. The advice to me was get using TOR (although I can never configure it right) so maybe its not too complex, or maybe they were double bluffing me. Who knows? I'm guessing the arrest levels aren't so high because they would have to arrest almost everyone under 30 who's been on a computer. Once they've got the logistics sorted I'm sure they'll happily cart us to the gulag though.

Why not join their little game and give them something to look at?

Keep your old computers running with the firewalls turned off and maybe even port forward from your router a few ports to make it easier for them to find and just put a bunch of non-sense empty files and encrypt them and label them with names Like - "Suitcase Nuclear bomb" plans or "13 year old russian blonde picture collection", "CIA headquarters HVAC layout" "Queens servants home addresses" , "Presidents motorcade backup route" etc.

That should keep them busy for awhile. When pigs get snoopy - there's nothing better than making them chase their tails.

Linux: Ubuntu

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Use XP/Vista ONLY for gaming. Use linux for internet activity.

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Essentially, I would run Linux off of a live CD (never installed) to surf, and just have Windows for gaming. Also, as I currently do, I run firefox off of a thumb drive.

[edit on 4-1-2009 by skoalman88]