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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 09:15 AM by Seymour Butz
reply to post by The All Seeing I



IOW, since you cannot give through your "common sense" approach, an answer to the hinge problem I gave you, you again resort to, as the poster says...... "rhetoric".

Why am I not surprised.




reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:47 AM by The All Seeing I
Is this "rhetoric" over your head or are you out of coffee?

With your inability/refusal to answer the OP... you attempt to detour with your own questions... what a cowardly deceptive maneuver, to say the least and when you consider how infantile the questions are they barely merit answering... for they are so obvious, which i will attempt to illustrate in addressing. Though based on prior observation, i'm not taking much stock in being understood, let alone heard.

You want me to show you the "basic science" at play here, and yet you saw the collapse just like everyone else did... do you not trust your own two eyes? All three free fell into their own foot print, in order for this to be possible a helping hand has to be at play. There are very basic laws of physics that reconfirm that your eyes didn't lie.

Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum — one of the foundational Laws of Physics?

You want me to point out a "hinge point/plane that would be able to support the weight above while at the same time undergoing enough rotation to move the center of gravity outside the exterior walls, at which point it would indeed be expected to topple off the lower part." Strange overly elaborate way of wording it but yes... again blatantly obvious, where the planes entered the building, chop... chop... remember?

In sum, the OS regarding the collapses violates the laws of physics. Where as the CT does not violate the laws of physics. So which theory does science dictate we reject? For those who regard NIST an authority on science, then you have to ask yourself; why did they ignore the
Laws of Conservation of Momentum and Energy in their "studies"?

Now you were eluding earlier to something called "common sense"?

[edit on 6-1-2009 by The All Seeing I]


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 11:15 AM by Seymour Butz
reply to post by The All Seeing I



Again, all you're saying is it looked like a cd, that is proof that it was.

If you think this is an intelluctually rigorous argument, then you're sadly mistaken.

This is trooferism at its finest.



reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 12:05 PM by The All Seeing I
I was really giving you the benefit of the doubt there bud, but you just reconfirmed my initial impressions. You have provided in your walk and talk an excellent example of The use of Doublespeak to derail Occam's Razor. Thank you for showing us all your true colors... your real intentions are crystal clear now.

Only a certain type of person is capable of running/hiding/deflecting/distorting in the face of what can't be denied. You know there is a reason ATS has coined "Deny Ignorance"?... which you have given a whole new meaning to.

My signature about sums up the part you choose to play, a mantra you know all too well.


reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 03:57 PM by The All Seeing I
So if i flip further into your Brain Operators Manual, will i find a proclamation that all CT SEs are anti-american? Seems to me that those who love their country the most expect more from their government and fellow citizens... like this CT SE explains:

One of our primary responsibilities as architects and engineers is to ensure public safety in and around our structures, and we take this seriously. It is also our responsibility as concerned American citizens to ask questions and seek honest answers. I encourage everyone to read the numerous books, technical reports and papers about the WTC; look closely at the photographs and videos; listen to the speakers with an open mind. Decide for yourself, and take a stand for what you believe. As a structural engineer I believe in the laws of physics and rely on them every day.

After much reading and studying it is obvious that NIST, FEMA and the 9/11 Commission have all fallen short of a detailed accounting of the catastrophic collapses of the three World Trade Center buildings in Manhattan on 9/11/01. A few examples of unexplained details include the "severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel" as described in Appendix C of the FEMA Building Performance Study, the complete symmetrical collapses following asymmetric structural damage and short-term fires, and the chemical signature of incendiary compounds found in the toxic WTC dust.

I would really like to know why complete collapse of the twin towers "became inevitable" as expressed by NIST without any scientific analysis to substantiate it. Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing most of the contents into dust and ash - twice? Why would WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified - and necessary - for all three collapses.


Ronald H. Brookman is a licensed structural engineer in the state of California. He obtained his B.S. Civil Engineering (1984) and M.S. Structural Engineering (1986) degrees from the University of California at Davis, and has over 21 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of buildings in northern California.

Boy this guy really hates America, what a delusional terrorist-lovin crack-pot he is.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by The All Seeing I]


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 12:46 AM by cogburn
reply to post by The All Seeing I



Ohhhhh now I see.

The problem isn't your initial argument, it was in the wholly inadequate way you continue to pose it.

Sitting around and posing oversimplified and incongruent thought experiments are not a substitute for hard facts and solid computations to surround them. Thought experiments are a compliment used to provide easier assimilation of complex subjects.

It's the continual assertion of "basic common sense" that is the truly intellectually damaging portion of your argument. Allow me to sum up this point in a single sentence:

"Science and reality rarely conform to common sense in extremely complex physical interactions."

One may not view the plethora of evidence that has come to light in the past 8 years without it being painfully obvious that the OS does not explain everything witnessed on 9/11 during and after the collapse of the WTC towers. However, when those of us with what may be a slightly broader range of experience say "Hey, you're not doing it right" it is always met with "you're an OS believer".

Were that true, the Earth would be flat, the sun would orbit around the Earth and we'd live swimming in the middle of an invisible aether as opposed to existing on the surface of a bubble of space-time.

Next I supposed we're going to become government loyalists, which seems to be the talking point of the week for twoofers.
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