What would one of these dudes have to do to get 72 ho's in heaven instead of 72 virgins? I like my girls to have some "experience".

Originally posted by Bugman82
Sorry, but rationalizing suicide bombings and so forth shows a lack of denying ignorance.

I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

It is disheartening to see this from well-versed members on this board. It shows that the philosophical ideologies of people here are just as twisted or morose than from j6p or the rest of the world.

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

When will people wake up to the fact that both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong?

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

When will people realize that rationalizing the evil of either side in any way, shape, or form simply adds to the problem?

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologise for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

The guy in this article says it best! He states, "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

He is no parrot of Western pro-Israel propaganda. He never says Israel is in the right. He says both are terrible and both ideologies are wrong, and he is most definitely right!

It's good to be a idealist but we live in a far less than ideal world where one 'side' always has a more legitimate claim than the other. If one can not discover which is best it's best to reserve judgement until you can.

Stop this nonsensical taking of sides when both Israel and Hamas are to blame.

The mistakes Hamas are making are in the interest of arranging national liberation; what can we say of the mistakes of the side with all the military and economic ( and according to some , intellectual) power as well as the influential powerful friends ( the US and Europe) to implement and sustain a fair solution?

Stop supporting one side's ideologies since both are evil.

Both ideologies are not evil and what you are basically doing here is the defense of the age old imperial mantra of blaming the victims for the aggression of the imperialist; yes wife beaters and murderers are not to be held responsible as they were clearly just provoked.

So goes the logic used to defend a illogical argument.

Stellar

Well Dracula, starred & flagged.


Hamas does not care about it's own people because not only it uses them as
human shields but it does send rockets & "human bombs" on it's own people since many Palestinians live on the other side of the border and become potential victims.

I am not talking about the complex geo-political & strategical situation in this region of the world but about the Hamas and all the fanatics worldwide (fake muslims) that are coward and stupid enough to use terrorism as a political mean or as a war strategy.

It does not work but they still did not understand and many innocents are dying because of their stupidity & ignorance & evilness.

My thoughts go to the Palestinians who are fed up with the Hamas and want a new leader for a better futur.

Peace, (may the war end soon)
Europa

at the Christians celebrating this

Originally posted by Venit
Sigh. I'm not disagreeing that the Hamas movement is odious. However, it says on the daily telegraph link itself that he's somewhat against Islam and states that it is 'not working'. Surely that counts as bias on his part?

Bias is when you fail to accept the objective truth about Islamic societies.

Originally posted by StellarX


I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

I wonder what warps your mind to support the Genocide of Jewish people. Do you go to University?

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

Islamic Jihad has no legitimate goal. You're supporting your own destruction.

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

The Palestinians have made it clear. Jihad is their method. They reject any Jewish state. This is not an issue of occupation but existence.

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologies for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

No , one has to look at who intends to slaughter and who respects human life. You are morally corrupt and deluded by your Cultural Marxism.

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

More inaccuracies. Muslims are not looking for space to have a nice little country. They are looking to dominate the world.

All one needs to do is listen to what folks like HAMAS say to their people and each other. If one wasn't such a lazy pathetic thinker like most people in the West are becoming, then what their goals are should be crystal clear.

All you have to do is listen what they say to each other and not the gullible ignorant lemming-like Press who the Muslims have mastered manipulating.

Defending Israel's existence is tantamount to defending your home nation's right to exist as well.

Look up the meaning of this common Arab Middle East phrase if you think I'm wrong

"First comes Saturday then comes Sunday"

Originally posted by bignick
at the Christians celebrating this

yeh...

it's hypocritical to switch from Islam to Christianity because you think Islam has violent tendencies.

This Yousef guy is, supposedly, just switching sides, nothing that he has done can back his transition and revelation of wanting peace.

Originally posted by Founding
Son of the founder of Hamas it does not get any worse than that. Can anybody see the difference between hamas and a cult?

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Founding]

there is no difference. hamas is a death cult.

hats off to that guy though - thats ONE BRAVE son of a bitch...
if Hamas or any extremist muslim finds him, he'll be killed. no doubt about it.

interesting how he read the bible and compared it to the koran. no wonder Saudi Arabia bans bibles in their country.

Im so sorry you feel that way. sad, really sad.

Originally posted by StellarX

Originally posted by Bugman82
Sorry, but rationalizing suicide bombings and so forth shows a lack of denying ignorance.

I have far, far, far more sympathy with those people who end up strapping bombs to themselves than i can or will ever have with those who bomb civilians from the air with their 'precision' 500 pound bombs.

The problem here is that too many people believe that there are no suicide missions in the pursuit of freedom or in war; if Hamas could afford aircraft to attack Israel in response to attacks the chances for survival would not be significantly higher.

It is disheartening to see this from well-versed members on this board. It shows that the philosophical ideologies of people here are just as twisted or morose than from j6p or the rest of the world.

I apologise if i have less rosy view of the world where true change often requires people to knowingly commit to sacrificing their lives. I too would rather live in a world where we can bring about positive progressive change without having to take lives or sacrifice our own. If you can point me to a freedom struggle where this course of action have proven effective i would be most interested.

When will people wake up to the fact that both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong?

I can agree that both are committing crimes but only Israel can bring about true peace and and since it is the Israeli government which have so persistently avoided reaching ANY fair ( whatever the Palestinian authority of the time will accept the Israeli's then change to require even more sacrifices on the Palestinian side) resolution to the conflict Israel created by it's initial land grabs.

When will people realize that rationalizing the evil of either side in any way, shape, or form simply adds to the problem?

Once one knows which side is being terrorized and oppressed and which side holds all the military and economic power it's not hard to forgive the errors of liberation movements. I thus apologise for having been able to figure out that there isn't really two legitimate sides to this issue.

The guy in this article says it best! He states, "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yes, the ideology of Hamas and similar Palestinian organizations is to arrange a sustainable peace ( space enough to ensure Palestinian economic survival) while the ideology of the Zionist Israeli government is to give a inch , when it gives at all, only to take back two the moment international negotiators have left the scene in self congratulatory ecstasy. This is why Palestinian territory keeps declining as the Israeli's keep breaking their agreements by starting new settlements and expanding the older one's.

He is no parrot of Western pro-Israel propaganda. He never says Israel is in the right. He says both are terrible and both ideologies are wrong, and he is most definitely right!

It's good to be a idealist but we live in a far less than ideal world where one 'side' always has a more legitimate claim than the other. If one can not discover which is best it's best to reserve judgement until you can.

Stop this nonsensical taking of sides when both Israel and Hamas are to blame.

The mistakes Hamas are making are in the interest of arranging national liberation; what can we say of the mistakes of the side with all the military and economic ( and according to some , intellectual) power as well as the influential powerful friends ( the US and Europe) to implement and sustain a fair solution?

Stop supporting one side's ideologies since both are evil.

Both ideologies are not evil and what you are basically doing here is the defense of the age old imperial mantra of blaming the victims for the aggression of the imperialist; yes wife beaters and murderers are not to be held responsible as they were clearly just provoked.

So goes the logic used to defend a illogical argument.

Stellar

Why did he bother converting to Christianity? He might as well have just kept his Muslim faith and renounced the crazy violence that goes against its teachings.

No way man! Even Jews won't like this story. He became a christian..he didn't convert to Judaism..

How many Muslims can we see converting to Judaism or Jews converting to Islam?

Imagine Christianity never existed and half the people on this earth were Muslims and the other half had converted to Judaism..civilization would be long gone..

Thank God for Christianity.

Some things happened for a reason, so was Christianity.
Deny ignorance.


[edit on 4-1-2009 by populardisbelief]