Originally posted by Seapeople
Did you tell me to shut the f up? Wonderful....
No, I was saying that you cant do that to others when asking for opinions on Biblical topics.
Originally posted by Seapeople
There is plenty of agitated sarcasm in that post. In both of them. It doesnt matter what I say, good, nice, or rude. No-one would be willing to use
there mind and realize what I am saying is correct anyway. If God knows everything, then we have no free will....even if we think we do. That means
that God knew before hand that Eve would eat that fruit, and that he would have to condemn us to hell for her sins. That means God knew before hand
that he would cast lucifer out of heaven to create hell. That means that everything is his plan....every choice we make.
Like it or not, thats how it is. Unless.....that is......God is not all powerful. Omnipotent is how they describe that I believe though I may be
wrong. This can't be true if we have any ability to make choices...which we most certainly do.
By the way, this is ranting.
Ah! But now you are ranting about a single topic, and that can be addressed.
Regarding being omnipotent. If someone hands you a video tape of say, a horse race. And they tell you that this tape tells the future of that race.
You would watch the race, and then perhaps change your bets, but you still did not change the outcome of the race. Knowing which horse will run the
fastest, does not mean that the losers had no say-so in the matter. It appears to be fixed to you, since you know the outcome, but in actuality you
did nothing to change the outcome.
To God, there is only now. There is no past, present, or future. Everything happens at once for God. In God's eyes, Hitler is now ruling Germany, and
George Washington is president of the U.S. There is no such thing as time to God.
If you can accept that then you may still ask, "Why did God create the devil if he knew he would rebel? Why did God create man if he knew he would
sin?" To answer this question you must realize why God made people. Picture God at a movie that we'll call "The Universe". Its a movie of
everything happening. God makes something happen in the movie and thinks, "Hey that was neat". Now, If this was you, you would lean over to your
friend and say "Pretty cool huh?" Who does God say this to? Who does he share things with? God created people because he wanted to have someone to
enjoy things with. It wasn't because he was tired of throwing dumb rocks into hell, and wanted screaming objects to throw in to hell.
So why did God create people to share things with, who would sin? In order to have the level of love that he desired, he had to make people with free
will. Forced love is not the same as freely given love. It wouldn't even be called love. Without free will we would be no more than a dummy with a
string on our back. God would pull the string, and we would say "I love you God. Cool stuff." But what satisfaction would God gain from this? None
whatsoever. So you are created with the power to do as you will. Sin is not a creation of God, it is doing what is against God's will. So given the
fact that you can sin, you have your proof that God lets you do as you will. God will allow you to reject him, and be seperated from him. This is what
hell is. Complete seperation from God. If you read the Bible you will see that it was actually created for the Devil and his
As for why
the Devil sinned, we aren't given that information. It just says that he decided he wanted to be greater than God.
This (freewill) is the only way that God can get what He desires most, and it is the only thing that God cannot create. You personally have what God
wants most. Your love. But if he took it from you it wouldn't be what he wanted. Knowing in advance if you will accept or reject him does not change
the fact that you are the one making the decisions. It would be unfair to not create you since he knew the outcome. That would be taking away your
freewill, and from what I have just discussed, it would be short of what God desires most.