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reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:50 AM by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by Uniceft17

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by ladysharrowandherbarrow

Just like I said, the more certain members attack someone the more truth they are telling.

Btw, name calling is agaist TAC.

Because someone can post facts that disprove what you say, is no excuse to namecall and does not make them a troll.

Usually name calling is the last resort of someone who has been proven wrong and they know it.

Interesting you would say that after calling anyone who dissagrees with your 'truth' terrorists or terrorists supporters.

Hamas and the Israeli government are both terrorists, you fail to look about both sides of the argument and therefore are embracing ignorance.

Unless you are a Hamas terrorist, it did not mean you, if you are a Hamas terrorist, it is directed directly at you.

The problem is those who support terrorists is not an insult, it is very clear to see some peoples anti-israeli/jewish bias in their posts.

Hamas are terrorists, those who support them would, naturally be terrorist supporters.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:53 AM by Harlequin

reply to post by GamerGal

212 664 4249

thats the number for TODAY on MSNBC

they haven`t heard of what your talking about and MSNBC , according to you were the ones to show it.

IF MSNBC don`t know about the subject you mentioned - a report between 4pm and 5pm on saturday about palestinians shooting children in the knees and throwing them under tanks

then you are a LIAR.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:54 AM by StevenDye

reply to post by mrmonsoon

We are all terrorists to somebody. It simply depends on which side you have chosen.

Im sure many in Iraq and Afghanistan would claim Brits and Americans are terrorists.

Lets go back to the IRA, terrorists...pure and simple, bombs killing innocent people. Many Americans not only supported their cause, but helped supply them with money. Yet to ireland, us Brits were the terrorists...

Just to add, I don't mean to sound as if all Irish people saw us as terrorists and supported the IRA, just as not all British people supported the Brits in the troubles. That was not my intention, sorry if I came across that way

So yes, you can call me a terrorist supporter, for standing by innocent Palestinians, but I can do the same to you.

War is not black and white, either side can be fairly defended in their actions...

[edit on 5-1-2009 by StevenDye]

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:55 AM by Uniceft17

Originally posted by GamerGal
Ah but people did provide proof of grass in Palestinian areas.

Uhm, I don't believe I ever said they didn't.

And again, guy on the phone, telling MSNBC, what he saw.

Your first post.

On televison now! The Palestinians tried to slow the tanks down by grabbing their own children, shooting them in the knees, and throwing them in front of the tanks! The Jews sent ground troops in to pull the injured out of the way and kept on rolling. But I can already see the headlines, Jew Tanks Roll Over Children. Forgetting to mention that Hamas shot the kids in the knees and threw them in front!

Which still doesn't match the standards you have been holding other persons to.

Shall we go back to what I said in the previous post:

If you would have held yourself to those said standards that you have been holding other people too then you would have never posted that claim, you would have waited for sources, and photos.

Now, look back at your first post on this thread, and look at what you said, pretend that it said 'On televison now! The Gazans have resorted to eating grass onset by starvation because of the Israelis and Egyptians closing down the boarders and refusing to let humanitarian aid come through.'

How would/did you react to that?

I'm guessing the same way I reacted to your claim, based on what i've read so far.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 10:56 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by Harlequin

Well, again, quote me where I say there is video. Until then you're misquoting, putting words in my mouth, and dodging the issue.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:08 AM by Uniceft17

reply to post by mrmonsoon

My appologies for mis-interpreting your post.

Edit: Not a one liner.

Peace.

[edit on 1/5/2009 by Uniceft17]

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:50 AM by Harlequin

reply to post by GamerGal

you claimed this happened on MSNBC tv news

MSNBC deny any knowledge of this - i have supplied the number if anyone wants to check themselves

the news station you claimed to have reported this do not know anything about it

and yet you carry on

YOU ARE A LIAR

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:52 AM by StevenDye

reply to post by Harlequin

Whilst I am generally on your side on this issue, how many times did you call? Human error could play a part in it, ideally you would have spoken to 2 different people and received the same outcome.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 11:59 AM by GamerGal

reply to post by Harlequin

You still can't quote me as saying there was a video. Because I never did. It was a guy on the phone telling them what they saw. For about ten minutes he was on then they went to the Head of the Palestinian Mission to the UN. So how am I lying? I said what I saw/heard. You then demand I show the "video" that I said existed. I reply I never said there was a video, only a guy on a phone, and you still claim there is a video.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:10 PM by Harlequin

reply to post by GamerGal

MSNBC deny this occured not now or ever.

you keep saying it did and saw it on MSNBC

stop being a LIAR.

edit:

i asked for PROOF , you said there wasn`t any - i phoned MSNBC who deny any such report happened

you then babble on about a video.

you claimed you saw it on MSNBC - they deny it happened when phoned - the number is allready supplied for anyone to call.

[edit on 5/1/09 by Harlequin]

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 12:26 PM by PsykoOps

Surely if this happened then more people saw it than just GG?

Where is the outrage?

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:03 PM by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by masonwatcher

I like your new photo but could it be that you are a retired hairy arsed IDF squaddie assigned to the Israeli internet effort?

Hairy arsed? That's not very nice. Can we keep the argument to the conflict and not involving personal attacks?

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:07 PM by MikeboydUS

Hamas moves on Fatah 'collaborators'
www.jpost.com...

Fatah officials in Ramallah told The Jerusalem Post that Hamas militiamen had been assaulting many Fatah activists since the beginning of the operation last Saturday. They said at least 75 activists were shot in the legs while others had their hands broken.

Meanwhile, sources close to Hamas revealed over the weekend that the movement had "executed" more than 35 Palestinians who were suspected of collaborating with Israel and were being held in various Hamas security installations.

Any of this sound familiar? Relatives of Fatah members being shot in the knees and others killed.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:20 PM by Mdv2

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by masonwatcher

I like your new photo but could it be that you are a retired hairy arsed IDF squaddie assigned to the Israeli internet effort?

Hairy arsed? That's not very nice. Can we keep the argument to the conflict and not involving personal attacks?

Let's stop about this okay? 20 freaking pages have been wasted on someone who purposefully derailed this thread. It's enough now. This thread is about the Israeli operation in Gaza and not about anything else.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:34 PM by MerlinFields

reply to post by Mdv2

So many people are condemning Israel for taking this action! Just as they did a few years ago with Lebanon.

Do you all not know that the Palistinians have been lobbing shells into Israel everyday for years?? Just as was happening from Lebanon when that broke out!

Does Israel not have the right to defend itself? How many bomb's would have to go off in your front yard before you took some action?

Granted the Government of Israel are an unrighteous group who are not presently following their Elohim (god). But what government in this wicked world is? We (America) certainly are not following our (god)!! We have kicked him out! Out of our schools and out of the affairs of the state!

We are no more 'righteous' than Israel is! We are doing the same thing to the people of Iraq and Afganistan and very soon (probably) in Iran!

We are turning a blind eye to the 'true Genocide" that is happening in Africa! What Israel is doing is NOT genocide!!! They are simply defending themselves and taking out the perpetrators of the offenses of a faction of Palistinians. It is the Palistinians who put the civilians in the proximity of those who know they will be targeted, in a effort to 1) attempt to keep from being attacked. and 2) so that if and when they are attacked Israel will be made to look like the bad guys.

If I were some of you, I would be very careful about condemning and 'cursing' Yisra'el. Yahuah said that He would Bless those who Bless Yisra'el and Curse those who Curse Yisra'el.

That still goes today, and to think not...
You have been deceived!!

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:37 PM by MikeboydUS

reply to post by Mdv2

Stop What?

Pointing out clear violations of ATS social decorum? Yes this thread is about the operation in Gaza, but that gives no one the right or excuse to lob personal attacks or insults.

Its already bad enough with people using the word Zionist as if it were a derogatory epithet.

There are news stories coming from Fatah itself showing that Hamas are knee capping people and killing relatives of Fatah members. I don't know how that is a derailment.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 01:52 PM by Harlequin

reply to post by MikeboydUS

Hamas ran Fatah out of Gaza , lined them up against a wall and machine gunned them - the day this happened Egypt shut the border and hezbollah walked away from gaza - which shows how much `real` support hamas actually has

so dragging out fatah memebers and killing them doesn`t surprise me - what really pisses me off is that BOTH sides in the conflict are to blame not just hamas - but some people dont see that - and that does get my goat somewhat.

israel arn`t whiter than white - and hamas cannot be excused for being anything than asshats - but its a case of irresistible force meats immoveable object , with (for want of a less agressively descriptive word) fanatics at the helm of each faction

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 02:09 PM by MikeboydUS

reply to post by Harlequin

That's why Hamas has to go. Maybe the Israelis could get the Arab League to help remove Hamas from Gaza, maybe bring in Egyptian forces from the south. The quicker they help, the faster Fatah can regain control of Gaza.

The only alternative I see to that is a UN/NATO security force in Gaza.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 02:29 PM by Mdv2

reply to post by MikeboydUS

I agree with you, but if you post this again, another 20 pages will be added with exactly the same discussion. Time to take a deep breath, and consider how we post...

Therefore, I said could you stop with mentioning what has been discussed before.

And Merlinfields, you should seriously read the link I've posted in this message.

reply posted on 5-1-2009 @ 02:34 PM by Harlequin

reply to post by MikeboydUS

the UN tried in 2006 but got aircraft bombed out of the place `accidently` - as i said , with fanatics and zealots in charge of both sides peace is but a dream.